Zhirinovsky's Russian Empire

[Belle Epocque]

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Tajik President killed in roadside bomb as confusion over succession grips Republic

June 18, 1991|By Scott Sutcliffe | Dallas Morning News

Rahmon Nabiyev

I guess it should be 1995?

Niyazov announced that, like the UIS Republic of Georgia, Turkmenistan would be given limited membership in the United Nations as well as being given joint membership in the United Nations Security Council, a move that the United States called “illegal”.

We know UIS is not widely recognized as succesor state of USSR, or even don't recognised as a state. So what happen with Soviet seat in UN Seciurity Council?

And I guess entire Uzbek and Turkem Russian population fled to Kazakhstan following the "Tragedy on Dushanbe"?

Also, Why TTL KGB hadn't been disolved in december of 1991?

I am also bother by this. We know communist tryed seize power in UIS in 1993/94 and their failed. Following failed coup there was masive prosecutions of communist throghout Russia, with forcefully relocations of hundreds thousands of them and huge decomunistation movement in UIS, causing Soviet symbols being outlowed. We know in 1996 there still communist party in UIS, how after such wave of "white terror" it is possible?

But it also shows that the UIS is less interested in politics and more interested in nationalism. They will support a crazy Socialist-style dictator in Turkmenistan and a pro-democracy human rights activist in Tajikistan.

I would say, UIS is less interested in ideology and more interested in realpolitik.

And nice uptade, we finally know how UIS is handle there.

 

[BgKnight]

We know UIS is not widely recognized as succesor state of USSR, or even don't recognised as a state. So what happen with Soviet seat in UN Seciurity Council?

I think Pellegrino Shots mentioned before that it is occupied by the delegation of the Russian Republic, but they refuse to sit in, until it is transferred to the UIS (Or was it UDR back then, don't remember if it was before the new treaty). They even mentioned the Russian delegation not vetoing sanctions because it will be a sign of weakness, as in, that the sanctions are working.

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

Now the UIS has really gone insane as to which side are they supposed to be on.

 

[Pellegrino]

Now the UIS has really gone insane as to which side are they supposed to be on.

Maybe crazy like a fox.

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

So now that you've covered the portions on Central Asia, would the next update be on Ukraine and the Crimean Tatars? Or would it shift towards either the Caucasus or the Balkans?

 

[Pellegrino]

I guess it should be 1995?

Good catch Belle! Corrected!

We know UIS is not widely recognized as succesor state of USSR, or even don't recognised as a state. So what happen with Soviet seat in UN Seciurity Council?

We will get some answers shortly, but to give a teaser (spoiler alert!)

The UN Security Council has several permanent members and a rotating cast of new members who sit on the SC for a short time before they surrender their seat. The UN is giving the UIS grief over its seat (is it a Russian seat or a UIS seat) so what The UIS is proposing is a rotating cast of UIS members on the permanent Russian seat. So they will give up their seat to a loyal Armenian or Ukrainian one year (they are not crazy enough to give up their seat without serious supervision though) just to give the Americans and the UN a headache. And Dan, you were wondering if Turkmenbashi would be as crazy in this TL as he was in OTL...well imagine what is going to happen when he gets the seat on the UN security counsel!

And I guess entire Uzbek and Turkem Russian population fled to Kazakhstan following the "Tragedy on Dushanbe"?

We will get some ideas in the next update...

Also, Why TTL KGB hadn't been disolved in december of 1991?

It is not that Zhirinovsky doesn't want a KGB...he just doesn't want a communist KGB. Besides, they might be needed since they may be pulling Zhirinovsky's strings. even in OTL the KGB wasn't exactly disbanded. Just renamed and given less authority.

I am also bother by this. We know communist tryed seize power in UIS in 1993/94 and their failed. Following failed coup there was masive prosecutions of communist throghout Russia, with forcefully relocations of hundreds thousands of them and huge decomunistation movement in UIS, causing Soviet symbols being outlowed. We know in 1996 there still communist party in UIS, how after such wave of "white terror" it is possible?

In OTL all over the USSR the Communist party of each republic did have some autonomy from each other. As a result when the coup failed you had many who quickly claimed to "abandon" communist when all they did was change their name to something else. Almost all made major concessions (religious freedom in Central Asia for example) but State controlled industry remained in places like Uzbekistan and Belarus. But each Communist party Ultimately severed ties from each other. We are seeing that in TTL as well. For all we know the Communist party of Russia has renamed itself, and what we do see is that the "real" communist resent this "watered down" Communist party. They are seen as backstabbing hypocrites and even the powerful Communist party of Belarus has severed ties to the Russian Communist party. Why is that? Perhaps these are the communist who opposed the coup?

Now, I love throwing some irony in this TL. Putin being Lukashenko's lapdog. Zhirinovsky being pro capitalist. Communist siding with Islamic fundamentalist. So we will get some answers to your question soon, but I can say this...

In OTL Zhirinovsky was always hindered politically because he backed the 1991 coup, and his LDPR was always called a fake party created by the Communists. In fact they were often seen as little more than sock puppets for the government and the conventional wisdom in Russia is that the KGB created them to steal some of the thunder fom the real liberal democrats.

In TTL we see Zyuganov hindered politically because it looks like he DIDN'T back the coup in 1993, and his Communist party is now seen as little more than a sock puppet for the ruling LDPR, a fake party created by the LDPR run KGB to steal thunder from the real communists in Belarus.

Got to love the irony in that.

 

[Pellegrino]

So now that you've covered the portions on Central Asia, would the next update be on Ukraine and the Crimean Tatars? Or would it shift towards either the Caucasus or the Balkans?

We won't be leaving Central Asia just yet. I have an update that deals with Uzbekistan and the Crimean Tatars next. From there we have an economic update, a Hollywood update, as well as another round of elections all coming up int eh coming months. Oh, and we can't forget Zhirinovsky getting into a fist fight with a female member of the Duma either.

But the Caucasus and Balkans are also going to come back into play very, very soon!

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

Now I feel sorry for the poor lady who has earned the wrath of Mad Vlad. Also, what roles do you have in mind for Ibrahim Rugova? Would he die early or live as IOTL? I'm not sure if Kosovo would experience its own version of the Storm.

 

[Pellegrino]

Now I feel sorry for the poor lady who has earned the wrath of Mad Vlad. Also, what roles do you have in mind for Ibrahim Rugova? Would he die early or live as IOTL? I'm not sure if Kosovo would experience its own version of the Storm.

As Serbia moves closer to the UIS, Kosovar Abanians are naturally going to move closer to NATO. I won't say more, but Kosovo will be THE hotspot which will be a MAJOR source of tension between the UIS and the United States in the second half of the decade

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

As Serbia moves closer to the UIS, Kosovar Abanians are naturally going to move closer to NATO. I won't say more, but Kosovo will be THE hotspot which will be a MAJOR source of tension between the UIS and the United States in the second half of the decade

And I'm guessing that the Pristina Airport Incident will definitely become three times worse than it was in OTL. Does Kosovo remain in Serbian hands by 2012? Or are they going to become independent like IOTL?

 

[Pellegrino]

And I'm guessing that the Pristina Airport Incident will definitely become three times worse than it was in OTL. Does Kosovo remain in Serbian hands by 2012? Or are they going to become independent like IOTL?

Well we know Serbia will become a member of the UIS by 2003, so it more likely that the Pristina Airport Incident will be butterflied away.

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

So does this mean that the Kosovo independence will be butterflied away as well? In this case, we don't get to witness the rise of Boris Malagurski as the Serbian Michael Moore without the Kosovo independence. I should know, I personally helped organized it in my current location.

 

[Tongera]

So does this mean that the Kosovo independence will be butterflied away as well? In this case, we don't get to witness the rise of Boris Malagurski as the Serbian Michael Moore without the Kosovo independence. I should know, I personally helped organized it in my current location.

What about the Albanians in Kosovo who will most likely try and get independence?

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

I'm not sure how they'll fare since the UIS would do anything to crackdown on any secessionist movements. (though the UIS recognizing the Baltic States as independent nations is an exception)

 

[Pellegrino]

Without giving away too much again, even a pro UIS Serbia would want to preserve its independence and not allow itself to be absorbed into the UIS.

So the question is why do they join they UIS?

What in the world could they be poised to lose for them to agree to give up independence. What is the one thing that would be important enough for them to agree to join the UIS, giving the UIS military full access to their country?

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

Security against NATO, and they get to keep Kosovo.

 

[Belle Epocque]

In TTL we see Zyuganov hindered politically because it looks like he DIDN'T back the coup in 1993, and his communist party is now seen as little more than a sock puppet for the ruling LDPR, a fake party created by the LDPR run KGB to steal thunder from the real communists in Belarus.

So maybe TTL we will se Zyuganov making somenthing stupid like, I dont know, saying somenthing about sharing wives in new communist Russia?

 

[Pellegrino]

So maybe TTL we will se Zyuganov making somenthing stupid like, I dont know, saying somenthing about sharing wives in new communist Russia?

LOL, that would be pretty funny.

 

[Dan1988]

In a word...yes.

But it also shows that the UIS is less interested in politics and more interested in nationalism. They will support a crazy Socialist-style dictator in Turkmenistan and a pro-democracy human rights activist in Tajikistan.

That is most excellent. You almost need a separate entry for Türkmenbashi alone - his craziness in TTL will be matched only by Volodya, because some of Türkmenbashi's antics would leave people scratching their heads. (Of course, I would still sympathize with the Turkmen people for having such an awful régime during that guy's rule.)

 

[Dan1988]

And Dan, you were wondering if Turkmenbashi would be as crazy in this TL as he was in OTL...well imagine what is going to happen when he gets the seat on the UN security counsel!

Now I want to see the fireworks from that. Will the devil still smell like sulfur?