TL: UK Overseas Regions [Redux]

....and back from Easter holidays.

Broadly speaking, you're correct. The first two are broadly speaking the same as OTL; the big difference is the third option (integration) being available for some places. I can't see any territory not on an island being welcomed in to the UK.

Independence: Sought and granted to anyone who asks, but predominately those are the larger (1 million+) countries can viably handle their own affairs.
Protectorate/Dependency: For those small & mid size territories who want the autonomy and soft-independence, but without the requirements for a large military - often countries where either there are local issues in progressing the country towards independence (ie. Fiji), or external factors which push the country towards retaining the link (Belize). For what it's worth, although the end result is the same, my view is that a protectorate is technically sovereign and has some kind of agreement between the two for the UK to act as defence and international relations (ie. Trucial States), and a dependency is where the UK still acts as technically sovereign over the territory (ie. former colony).
Integration: Available for those who really want it, subject to not being too much of a drag on the UK. Realistically this means smaller islands, with small populations, ideally with some kind of strategic advantage for the UK. Mainland territories probably unlikely, due to issue with policing borders etc, see: Ceuta & Melilla.

As you say, there are some places which I think will end up having to continue as Dependencies as they are just too small. The South Atlantic islands are mostly so small population wise I'm not even sure they'd really have the capability to act as an integrated part of the UK; there wouldn't be the means to implement UK law and the rest of the integration requirements. Falklands are perhaps the only exception as one of the larger populations who are about to leap to fame in Westminster itself. The rest have no other option apart from dependency status - which is basically identical to overseas territory status in OTL. Tristan Da Cunha doesn't even have an airport, I don't know how you'd even attempt to offer that place UK integration.
I agree that integration of the South Atlantic islands into the UK would not have been on the cards in the 1950s, but today? Saint Helena has a commercial airport--a marvel of design and construction. The population of the Falklands is now ten percent from Saint Helena. For years, twice a week flights for civilians have been available from the RAF's Mount Pleasant Complex near the Falkland's capital. "Starting in autumn 2008, these flights were operated on behalf of the Royal Air Force by a civilian airline, Flyglobespan. Since the airline's bankruptcy in 2009, the flights have been operated by Air Tahiti Nui, Titan Airways, Air Seychelles and Hi Fly. The service is now operated by AirTanker using Airbus Voyager aircraft. Up to 2022, they flew to and from RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, with a refuelling stop at Cape Verde because the runway at RAF Ascension Island was closed. With the opening of one side of the runway at Ascension in 2022, normal flights could resume. Repairs to both sides of the runway at Ascension Island were fully completed in Spring of 2023." https://www.falklands.gov.fk/our-people#:~:text=More than 3,200 people live,Helena and 6% from Chile. There is also access to international air traffic by way of Uruguay.

As to Ascension, it has about 800 residents at any given time. The majority today are from Saint Helena. There is no right of abode so anyone whose work period is over has to leave. Presumably, if the South Atlantic islands were integrated into the UK, this would change, settlers would be welcomed and the island would become wealthy from the tourist trade. According to the Ascension Island Government:

"Wideawake Airfield (ASI / FHAW) is a military airfield operated jointly by the USAF and the RAF. For information relating to airfield operations please contact AIB Operations. Under the terms of an international agreement between the UK and US governments, only state aircraft (e.g. military and diplomatic flights) are authorised to land at Ascension. As an exception to this general rule, Wideawake Airfield is open for domestic commercial air services between Ascension and St Helena. It is closed to all other commercial and privately owned aircraft except in emergency situations. It is possible to travel to Ascension Island via St Helena by a monthly charter service operated by AirLink. This operates as an extension of the regular Airlink service between South Africa and St Helena. AIG is also pleased to announce new travel arrangements that will enable residents of St Helena to transit between the Falkland Islands and St Helena via Ascension. Residents of St Helena living on the Falkland Islands have the opportunity to travel from the Falklands via Ascension Island to St Helena and vice versa. Transiting between the United Kingdom and St Helena remains unavailable via the Airbridge. If you have a contract of employment on the island your employer will handle all aspects of your travel to Ascension. If you are a visitor, you may request to book a seat on the charter service. The AIG Flight Bookings Team manage all booking requests for this service."

It would appear that intricate facilities are already in place to link these three South Atlantic Islands, and can be improved. So what was improbable in the past might be possible today.

As to Tristan da Cunha, it is 2,600 miles from the nearest mainland and has a population of around 250. There is no place to build a jet airfield. Vertical take off and landing is available for fighter jets, like the famed Sea Harrier (now discontinued) of the Falklands War, but to have commercial passenger planes that can do this may take 50 years or more. Even if available, the islanders might veto it.
 
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Chapter 6: Heath

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Ted Heath
Conservative Premiership, 1978-1983, won election 1978 and 1982

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Ted Heath led the United Kingdom in to Europe with support from both sides of the House of Commons

The Heath Premiership came to power as Labour fractured into splinter Labour and Socialist parties at a crossroads for the United Kingdom as it digested the West Indies integration. Whilst not admitting any new territories to the United Kingdom, unlike several of his predecessors, Heath is credited with causing fewer constitutional updates then his predecessors, but arguably of greater impact. The 1960s and 1970s had made clear the impact of Commonwealth economic integration - there was little to be found. Commonwealth nations across the globe were rapidly moving away from imperial trade towards regional trade, and extensive trade with the economic juggernaut which was the United States. Britain's trade with the larger Dominions had fallen off a cliff; Australian trade with the USA had been rapidly growing, and even in the 1960s Australia-US bilateral trade exceeded Australia-UK bilateral trade. Canada and the USA had already signed the Automotive Pact, with growing economic links, and the US already counted for 2/3 of Canada's external trade. Correspondingly, the European Free Trade Agreement, signed in 1960, had reduced trade barriers across many European countries, and stimulated trade between Britain and it's geographically closest neighbours. Even though trade had continued to improve Britain's economy, growth had not been as fast as within the European Economic Community (despite the UK now having integrated close to a million extra citizens across the overseas regions), and to Heath it seemed that Britain needed Europe to try and aid the economic recovery after the turbulence of the 1970s.

Heath's first actions were more domestic minded though, as an almost reflex action to the actions of coal mining unions in the 1970s. As part of a multi-faceted move, Heath was to authorise a programme of new nuclear power construction. This would draw upon French technical assistance, further building on Franco-British relations to "smooth" Britain's EU accession plan, whilst also reducing the power of the coal unions by substantially diversifying power generation away from coal. With the price of oil and gas and record highs following political instability in the Middle East, nuclear power would hopefully allow Britain to export much of the oil and gas now coming out of the North Sea, improving Britain's economic position - especially after the 1979 oil crisis as Iran moved towards Islamic government (ironically today largely seen as a reaction to British over-involvement in the affairs of the region). Many of the existing nuclear sites were reused; several had older reactors which either generated little power, were dual purpose for Britain's former nuclear weapons programme (now increasingly co-operative with the French), or were coming towards the late stages of their operational life, whilst one smaller one ended up - in controversial circumstances in the Maltese Assembly - situated on the grounds of the RAF Hal Far in Malta, for whom the Royal Air Force has just closed the base to concentrate all assets at RAF Ta Kali. Malta still uses the plant, generating over two thirds of it's electricity by nuclear and the plant laid the foundations for the closing of the coal-burning power stations, although it's future is in doubt given changes in public opinion.

All of this cost money however, and portions of this was achieved by in a privatisation move which somewhat mirrored a trend in the United States for greater deregulation. The United Kingdom either sold off, or completely privatised, a number of state-owned companies, including British Airways, withdrawing from active participation in the airliner manufacturing market (thus leaving what was now British Aerospace and the pan-European Airbus companies on a more market-based footing), Cable & Wireless as well as attempts at privatising the failed British Leyland / Rover group. Following the privatisation, the last of the UK Government's involvement in the aviation sector was the deregulation of the airlines, allowing a freer marketplace for flights and was rapidly followed by the Republic of Ireland as a joint aviation market considering the significant amount of Irish migrants to the United Kingdom. This led to a substantial decrease in the cost of flying domestically (including the Republic of Ireland and Crown Dependencies), which in later years would be seen as the starting trigger in the growth of low costs airlines and low cost holidays to the Mediterranean, spurring the tourist industry in those areas.

Britain's application to the European Economic Community in 1978 was therefore received with interest in Europe, who were already in the midst of studying Greece's application, and was immediately followed by an application from the Republic of Ireland. Denmark and Norway who had historically close links with Britain had earlier expressed interest, but were now vested in a Nordic Community since the early 1970s, and were pursuing Nordic integration - but leaving the opportunity open for Nordic-European integration in future. Negotiations and alignment continued throughout 1979 and 1980, progressing rapidly - and faster then Spain & Portugal due to their transition from military rule and poorer economic state, whilst Britain's existing position in EFTA had already led to soft harmonisation on many rules. It was Heath's attempts to lead the United Kingdom in to the EEC which led to constitutional reforms and the concept of the "British Realm" which would be law which applied to the entire United Kingdom - as such a "British Law" (sometimes called "Law of the Realm") referred to a law of a national basis affecting the full union of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland & Overseas Regions - as well as the remaining Empire overseas. This was as opposed to "English Law" which would continue to be used for matters specifically pertaining to English & Welsh affairs (similar to Scots Law for Scotland and Irish Law for Northern Ireland). The introduction of this concept, which introduced what was de facto "federal law" in other countries, allowed the easier separation of English (or English-Welsh) and UK-wide affairs and made the introduction of EEC Law an easier concept to introduce.

A distraction in Grenada in 1979 by an armed uprising with armed Marxist supporters was quickly put down by UK troops in the area air-lifted in to the area, taking little more than 72 hours to round up the perpetrators. A minor distraction perhaps, but the event did serve to remind Britain of it's duties outside of Great Britain and European relations early on in Heath's Premiership. Sadly it also reinforced some right wing opinions in Britain that "white people brought democracy, law & order" and similar views, empowering some right-wing groups in the 1980s, but it still reinforced the stabilising factor of UK membership.

By 1981, all UK-European negotiations had been finalised, despite the UK's large grievances over the fledgling European Fisheries Policy. The election of 1982 was largely fought over the very topic of European membership, with Heath winning re-election on his manifesto commitments, and seeing the UK (along with Ireland and Greece) joining the European Community in 1983, with the overseas regions fully becoming European Community regions. Conveniently, the admission of the UK before Spain allowed Heath to use European law to force Spain to open the border with Gibraltar upon the Spanish accession in 1988. The telecoms dispute had been largely worked around to Spanish frustration, by integrating all the UK overseas regions in to the UK +44 numbering plan, which made it difficult for Spain to block telecoms calls to British-numbered Gibraltar without cutting off telecoms to the entire of the United Kingdom. Likewise, as Gibraltarians now held a full UK passport, they could not be easily discriminated against without disadvantaging all UK travellers to Spain. European Community law mandated the equal treatment of all European citizens, and thus de facto forced Spain's hand; Spain continue to claim Gibraltar, but in reality could do little about it. UK membership of the European Community also began to ease another burning issue in the United Kingdom; that of Northern Ireland. The presence of both the United Kingdom and Republic of Ireland in the European Community and thus the Customs Union meant that border between the two Irish jurisdictions became a lot more open, with no customs border or checks required. Tensions continued to simmer, but at a far lower level then previously seen as checkpoints were gradually reduced, if not eliminated.

This was all progressing well, until after Heath's early 1982 election victory, when other foreign global events started to take precedence. This was the invasion of the Falkland Islands by Argentina and followed by saber-rattling by Guatemala against the British territory of Belize. Later suspected to be co-incidental timing, the timing of both events triggered severe suspicion at the time. Belize was easier to resolve; the Guatemalan troops acted almost nothing like a selection of well drilled troops, and the Guatemalans attempted to stray across the border were quickly apprehended.

The action in the South Atlantic took 24 hours of rapid discussions at the top level of Westminster as to potential actions. As some put it "what's the use of having a military if we don't use it, and what good will a defence agreement with the UK be if the UK does not uphold it?", underlining the belief that no action would undermine every other defence pact the UK had if it did not uphold the defence of a British territory. As it turned out, the Argentine move swiftly conquered the Falkland Islands, but was predicated on the assumption that Britain (however well armed) would not care about tiny islands at the opposite end of the Atlantic, well away from any strategic areas and minimally populated. They could not have been more wrong as it turned out.

British deliberations eventually settled on a plan for action, not inaction regarding the Falklands. A rapidly assembled carrier strike group, based around the HMS Ark Royal aircraft carrier - the other carrier, HMS Invincible still being out at Singapore at the time - saw the flotilla set sail for the South Atlantic. After a long sail south, the group reached the South Atlantic. The use of airborne early warning and control using old Gannet AEW.3 demonstrated the need for new AEW aircraft, but were just sufficient for requirements this time and were coaxed through the operation. These allowed the carrier launched Sea Harrier aircraft to largely repulse any Argentinian efforts to locate and target the Royal Navy ships - although notably gaps in AEW cover due to the unreliability of the aging aircraft led to an unfortunate Argentine strike on a destroyer, sinking the vessel with loss of life. In return, strike missions targeted the airport on the Falklands itself, restricting Argentinian planes to operating out of mainland Argentina, and attack submarines took an active role in targeting Argentine vessels, largely restricting them to port. The complete denial of Argentine air and sea power by the Royal Navy fully cemented the role of carrier based power projection in the UK and removed any doubt where it existed; Britain required the ability to act globally and independently.

The difficulty in supplying and supporting the Argentine troops in the Falklands made a swift recapture of the islands by the United Kingdom an almost walk in the park when the time came for the invasion of the islands. The utter defeat of Argentina led to the swift downfall of the Argentine junta, whilst reinforcing Britain's new position in the world, and securing the value of the defence treaties which Britain participated in. Even so, the requirement to act in areas of the United Kingdom which were not covered by NATO brought a re-evaluation of the UK defence requirements.

Heath was exhausted by 1983 however, being 67 years old and looking increasingly tired having handled the largest war the United Kingdom had been involved in for the last 40-or-so years. With a rejuvenated Labour opposition who had now regrouped following the tumultuous departure of MPs who formed the Socialist Party, they were increasingly upbeat despite the “war dividend” Heath had received for having defeated the Argentines. Handing in his intent to resign, Heath’s time in politics was over as he handed over the reins of the Conservative Party to new blood, and waved goodbye to Number 10.

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I pondered this chapter for a long time, and would like the keep the world somewhat recognisable from OTL. So Heath has become PM and led the UK in to the EEC/EU (although later than OTL, when the lack of trade partners was really beginning to show as the empire unwinds), and been a bit more successful as PM - a bit later then OTL, but still only makes him 60 when he is PM. The Commonwealth can hardly be that angry at the UK turning it's economic back on them - Gaitskell's queries in to Commonwealth trade being met with a little positivity by them.
The nuclear plants were based on the idea of the Tories wanting to crush the ability of the coal miners to disrupt the entire country, and Thatcher's "a nuclear plant a year" strategy. Given Malta's prior dependence on coal, and continuing dependence on gas, it seemed an obvious step for a UK-integrated Malta.
I looked long and hard to see if I could use a different war to the Falklands, but there are few territorial claims in the Pacific, the Caribbean and Med islands are either independent or UK-integrated. The Falklands is one of the few where there is a right-wing nationalistic junta making firm claims over a British territory which is a long way away from any British interests and so conceivably would invade despite British power - I consider Argentina to have invaded not because they thought they could defeat the UK, but because they considered they wouldn’t have to as the UK wouldn’t care about it.
 
Interesting chapter.

The UK going into the EEC much later and much more prepared via partnership with France etc would also give time to have made deals with the Commonwealth countries, even if a full Commonwealth Free Trade deal never happened lots of smaller deals across this stronger Commonwealth are likely to have done. I could see Australia/New Zealand making deals with East African countries for example. Even India might be predisposed to make some deals with the UK considering the UK is not tied to the US policy like in OTL.

I cannot see Heath privatising BT, BR, the Post Office, or the basic Gas/Water/Elecy utilities - I can see them being 'spun off' into separate companies with 60-70% govt ownership or similar though. Other stuff like Steel, Airlines, or cars though yeah Heath would ditch them as 'non-essential'.

The Falklands Conflict still happening does makes sense, and with the UK not under Thatcher thus tied to the US, I can see any moves to prevent the UK sending a Taskforce being simply ignored. Having shown that navel power and carrier's especially so super important will that save some of the UK shipyards?

Speaking of ships - what is going on with cruising/passenger services? I can imagine the ability to cruise to the Caribbean or the Med 'without leaving the UK' would make for a strong prospect for holidaymakers?

Even if other things are closer to OTL, I am hoping for much more out of this world stuff when it comes to space please.
 
Speaking of ships - what is going on with cruising/passenger services? I can imagine the ability to cruise to the Caribbean or the Med 'without leaving the UK' would make for a strong prospect for holidaymakers?
Having worked on cruise ships I can say that would be a pretty big appeal in the Med and Carib for a lot of Brits would leap at that same for holiday and cruise companies, you could see a lot of companies like Cunnard making bank of this same for P&O cruises.

Edit: they will make bank on the ships shops and put a lot of money back into the local economies, you could do a overseas territory route.
 
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I kinda wonder with unification with the UK being more popular whatll happen with Hong Kong. Granted the New trerritories are on lease and were the biggest part of the reason HK was handed back, but could a stronger UK eastern presence here allow a redrawing of the treaty as China starts to emerge into more "Chinese socialist capitalism" or a HK that will demand a much longer "special zone treatment" or complete unification with UK
 

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Interesting chapter.

The UK going into the EEC much later and much more prepared via partnership with France etc would also give time to have made deals with the Commonwealth countries, even if a full Commonwealth Free Trade deal never happened lots of smaller deals across this stronger Commonwealth are likely to have done. I could see Australia/New Zealand making deals with East African countries for example. Even India might be predisposed to make some deals with the UK considering the UK is not tied to the US policy like in OTL.

I cannot see Heath privatising BT, BR, the Post Office, or the basic Gas/Water/Elecy utilities - I can see them being 'spun off' into separate companies with 60-70% govt ownership or similar though. Other stuff like Steel, Airlines, or cars though yeah Heath would ditch them as 'non-essential'.

The Falklands Conflict still happening does makes sense, and with the UK not under Thatcher thus tied to the US, I can see any moves to prevent the UK sending a Taskforce being simply ignored. Having shown that navel power and carrier's especially so super important will that save some of the UK shipyards?

Speaking of ships - what is going on with cruising/passenger services? I can imagine the ability to cruise to the Caribbean or the Med 'without leaving the UK' would make for a strong prospect for holidaymakers?

Even if other things are closer to OTL, I am hoping for much more out of this world stuff when it comes to space please.
Roughly speaking agree - a more stable Anglophone Africa (ie. East Africa) will undoubtedly have more trade deals, but at the same time Apartheid South Africa is still there which will throw some spanners in the work. Privatisation wise, I see Heath as withdrawing from the "free market" companies owned by the state rather than public services, pretty much as you say.

For space, and aerospace, there's a side chapter in the works on those; maybe next or the one after.

Having worked on cruise ships I can say that would be a pretty big appeal in the Med and Carib for a lot of Brits would leap at that same for holiday and cruise companies, you could see a lot of companies like Cunnard making bank of this same for P&O cruises.

Edit: they will make bank on the ships shops and put a lot of money back into the local economies, you could do a overseas territory route.

Definitely agree - I can see UK cruises leaving Southampton and heading around the British dependencies and UK overseas regions in the Atlantic and Caribbean before looping back around.

I kinda wonder with unification with the UK being more popular whatll happen with Hong Kong. Granted the New trerritories are on lease and were the biggest part of the reason HK was handed back, but could a stronger UK eastern presence here allow a redrawing of the treaty as China starts to emerge into more "Chinese socialist capitalism" or a HK that will demand a much longer "special zone treatment" or complete unification with UK

Hong Kong feature in the next chapter, but to be honest I can't see anyway to take HK except for largely as per OTL. The UK doesn't have a negotiating foot to stand on, China will either take it on terms it dictates (a la OTL) or by force. However, with the UK still in Singapore and some Pacific/Australiasian territories, I can see the UK potentially being more active in policing places like the contentious South China Sea.
 
Even so, the requirement to act in areas of the United Kingdom which were not covered by NATO brought a re-evaluation of the UK defence requirements.
Honestly, other postcolonial NATO powers have the same defense considerations that the UK has, holdings outside of the NATO area of operability. I honestly don't see the NATO terms changing as Europe would not like to be dragged into a war over US interests in the Pacific, so maybe a "inner alliance" of postcolonial powers seeking shared security?
Having worked on cruise ships I can say that would be a pretty big appeal in the Med and Carib for a lot of Brits would leap at that same for holiday and cruise companies, you could see a lot of companies like Cunnard making bank of this same for P&O cruises.
How long would a Carribean cruise last for? The cruises I see advertised here to the Norwegian Fjords aren't much longer than 10 days
 
How long would a Carribean cruise last for? The cruises I see advertised here to the Norwegian Fjords aren't much longer than 10 days
Depends tou could have crossing cruises which basically go from the UK to the Caribbean or thr other way which to cross could take about eight to ten days though once they get over they will usually do a tour around.

Like if they meet their ship in the Caribbean do the British Terirories then go over to say Southampton or meet the ship in Southampton and go to thr British Caribbeans territories. The reason to so though is these are actually cheap.

Med would depend if they start from Malta then it would be cheaper to fly in then basically do a med tour that ends in Malta and since its a domestic flight it would be as cheap as chips.
 
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Devvy

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Honestly, other postcolonial NATO powers have the same defense considerations that the UK has, holdings outside of the NATO area of operability. I honestly don't see the NATO terms changing as Europe would not like to be dragged into a war over US interests in the Pacific, so maybe a "inner alliance" of postcolonial powers seeking shared security?
Apologies for misunderstanding, but I think we're talking about the same thing. OTL the UK shrunk it's military down and down to just act as part of NATO. Here, it's not shrunk quite so far; the overseas regions demand a UK presence east of suez and in the Caribbean, but the Falklands is still a jolt to the system and a reminder that there are real live wars to defend against outside of GB/Europe, and thus outside of the NATO umbrella. The re-appraisal is the jolt that the UK needs to continue to maintain a real, deployable, credible force outside of the NATO umbrella.

How long would a Carribean cruise last for? The cruises I see advertised here to the Norwegian Fjords aren't much longer than 10 days

Depends tou could have crossing cruises which basically go from the UK to the Caribbean or thr other way which to cross could take about eight to ten days though once they get over they will usually do a tour around.

Like if they meet their ship in the Caribbean do the British Terirories then go over to say Southampton or meet the ship in Southampton and go to thr British Caribbeans territories. The reason to so though is these are actually cheap.

Med would depend if they start from Malta then it would be cheaper to fly in then basically do a med tour that ends in Malta and since its a domestic flight it would be as cheap as chips.
I guess there would be some island hopper shorter cruises for those who want to fly over, and a few posh+++ cruises from the UK for the older and more affluent demographic who....have more time on their hands and can trundle across by sea.

I'm not going to pretend I've considered the cruise tourism market much though :)
 
Well I assume euroskepticism is weaker in this TL as Britain negotiates better terms.commonwealth relations will be better as there is less of a perception of British betrayal. Heath wouldn’t privatise utilities and British rail but the others are fair game building nuclear plants to enable more oil and gas exports means Britain remains and energy exporter for longer which affects the economy and no 1979-81 reccesion means a lot of British industry survives.

Like the Nordic confederation cameo

So the overseas territories become
integrated similar to french lines and Gibraltar is solved . Does this lead to Belize integration rather than independence


Who succeds Heath will be interesting probably not thatcher helestine ??
Also with conventional carriers still in service due to east of suez will the sea harrier still be created instead of harrier gr3 and phantoms
 
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I guess there would be some island hopper shorter cruises for those who want to fly over, and a few posh+++ cruises from the UK for the older and more affluent demographic who....have more time on their hands and can trundle across by sea.
TBH if cruising does take hold it may save a greater deal of ship building in the UK since more people in the UK will want it and the likes of Yarrow will mercilessly exploit it.
 
I'm not going to pretend I've considered the cruise tourism market much though :)
A nice thing for the timeline would be the Queen Mary ending up as a museum/hotel/casino in Gibraltar instead of in the US.

Maybe the France following suit in Marseille, France.

Speaking of Tourism, does Alton Towers still end up a theme park? I am wondering cos with the changes to British industry, and the later ‘cheap sun holiday’ coming later do the UK seaside towns last longer and therefore the Theme Park not rising as a trill day in the 80’s?
 
A nice thing for the timeline would be the Queen Mary ending up as a museum/hotel/casino in Gibraltar instead of in the US.

Maybe the France following suit in Marseille, France.

Speaking of Tourism, does Alton Towers still end up a theme park? I am wondering cos with the changes to British industry, and the later ‘cheap sun holiday’ coming later do the UK seaside towns last longer and therefore the Theme Park not rising as a trill day in the 80’s?
Debatable if I'm honest problem with keeping older hulls like this is they still need a degree of inspection by the likes of Loylds and the MCA unless they get the HMS Belfast treatment but I'm not sure how well their hulls would take it and where would be best because still need people to check them as well.
 
Debatable if I'm honest problem with keeping older hulls like this is they still need a degree of inspection by the likes of Loylds and the MCA unless they get the HMS Belfast treatment but I'm not sure how well their hulls would take it and where would be best because still need people to check them as well.
I think they got round that with Queen Mary by having her declared a building. It part of the reason she is in a zoned off area. Not sure with Belfast, but then that ship is Navy.

United States still gets inspected I think?
 
I think they got round that with Queen Mary by having her declared a building. It part of the reason she is in a zoned off area. Not sure with Belfast, but then that ship is Navy.

United States still gets inspected I think?
The United States is pretty much still rotting tied up in the reserves which is a damn shame. She was a nice looking ship in the day.
 
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Interesting chapter.

The UK going into the EEC much later and much more prepared via partnership with France etc would also give time to have made deals with the Commonwealth countries, even if a full Commonwealth Free Trade deal never happened lots of smaller deals across this stronger Commonwealth are likely to have done. I could see Australia/New Zealand making deals with East African countries for example. Even India might be predisposed to make some deals with the UK considering the UK is not tied to the US policy like in OTL.
Re UK deals with India: the latter may have greater confidence in the UK because of the UK's stronger position in the Mediterranean (integration of Malta and Gibraltar) and in the western Indian Ocean (integration of the Seychelles with air and naval presence there).
 
Re UK deals with India: the latter may have greater confidence in the UK because of the UK's stronger position in the Mediterranean (integration of Malta and Gibraltar) and in the western Indian Ocean (integration of the Seychelles with air and naval presence there).
It would probably worry them a bit especially since the UK will probably have ships going up and down the African coast and out into the Indian Ocean and further. Though probably closer ties to a degree since there will be a lot RN visits and economic ties.

Especially since the UK probably throws out more in terms of security commitments to Brunei and things like the RN party in Singapore.
 
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Chapter 7: UK-French relations, part 1

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Cameron and Sarkozy sign treaties between UK and France.

Following the events of the 1950s and Egypt's forced nationalisation of the Suez Canal, the United States and United Kingdom continued to drift in their approach to international relations. The two countries had been some of the closest of allies during World War II, but events following the war made clear the difference between an globally ascendant republic and a fading colonial empire with regards to foreign policy. Some elements were not directly the fault of the governments - the revelation of Fuchs, at the heart of the British nuclear weapons programme, as handing over secrets to the Soviets drove a wedge of suspicion between the US and UK and can hardly be attributed to government policy, but it seems that distrust on both sides would fuel further distrust. This, however, then spurred further consequences such as the restricting of nuclear data from being received by United Kingdom from the United States, further frustrating British efforts to remain close to the US.

Coupled on to this in 1956 was the Suez Affair. The nationalisation of the Suez Canal by Egypt was regarded by the British as a deceitful abrogation of earlier British-Egyptian agreements, whilst in Egypt it was viewed as an exercise of domestic sovereignty over it's territory. Early efforts went in to a tripartite effort between the UK, France and Israel to prevent Egypt from striking Israel and also put the canal in to international hands. Those views were rapidly struck down after Macmillian, then Chancellor, met with Eisenhower informally, only to be told that the US would be outraged if Britain militarily intervened and would be a step backwards with regards to keeping Egypt out of the Soviet orbit. Although the level of American involvement in the British economy meant that Eden could hardly ignore the American position on the whole affair, it laid on yet another perceived blow on Britain by the United States, and this was rapidly followed by a repeated refusal from the US Navy this time to share nuclear propulsion technology (*1). In hindsight, this would turn out to be the straw which broke the camel's back of the post-war US-UK relationship. Subsequently, British involvement was only to allow the quiet use of British airfields in Cyprus by France. The Suez Affair provided Britain with a significant push away from efforts to maintain a close relationship with the United States, fearful of an invasion of Western Europe by the Soviets and a seeming American uncertainty over whether to help the Europeans with the weapons to defend themselves. Enquiries by the Americans after the Soviet Sputnik launch in 1957 as to some increased collaboration again were seen in the British Government as proof that the Americans would only act when in their own interest rather than acting collaboratively.

Following Suez, the United Kingdom and France global viewpoints rapidly converged, and began what was inevitably at the time a marriage of convenience - but one which has stuck and grown since. Joint nuclear research officially began formally in 1961, but an informal set of Anglo-French meeting of nuclear scientists had already existed for a few years, separate from the team which worked with the Americans, to whom the French team would sometimes seek validation or confirmation from - a nuclear powered game of twenty questions - to guide their research. Despite the fact this had sunk the initial efforts in to the separate European "Euratom" treaty progress (*2), overall UK-European relations didn't particularly suffer - most likely due to the UK's initial interference with the origins of the Common Market. After the French detonated a test explosion in Algeria in 1959, demonstrating the Anglo-French independent progress, a fully unified nuclear research team started and was formalised in 1961, with a now fully-fledged nuclear weapons effort, and later resulting in a fairly common nuclear missile and launch system. This nuclear sharing and military research, and increasingly aligned foreign policy (despite France being part of the Common Market and the United Kingdom not) has served as the bedrock for the Anglo-French alliance. Both nations elected to not participate, at least directly, in the Vietnam War - despite Vietnam being a former French colony, and worked vociferously to keep the Suez Canal open for traffic despite the continuous fighting in the Middle East. Attempts by the United States administration to improve it's relationship with the United Kingdom kept being undermined by other events; for example, the early 1960s saw the US Civil Aeronautics Boards decline to provide financing for US airlines seeking to purchase UK jetliners, unlike the rival US jetliners (*3).

1964 saw initial efforts in to a Channel Tunnel linking the United Kingdom and France, and this was later followed by a 1968 treaty to build the so-called Chunnel along with a new high speed rail system on either side of it to link London to Paris. Given that the end solution - an end-to-end high speed link - would only realistically work if both sides kept up their side of the bargain, steep cancellation penalties made sure neither side got cold feet, although the British Government, wary about British Rail's financial competence, assigned their share of the work in to a separate rail subsidiary, "Eurostar", from which the later European rail operator would inherit it's name. Construction started on the primary rail tunnel in 1970, opening in 1977, although the high speed rail route in to London (Broad Street) and Paris (Gare du Nord) did not open until three years later in 1980. The rail crossing of the River Thames on the British leg of the route was combined with the new Thames crossing and motorway between Rochester and Brentwood, in an effort to relieve the Dartford Tunnels, although funding issues led to the delay of the road parts by approximately 10 years and potential penalties guaranteeing the rail segments. This axis would form the original basis of the wider European Eurostar network, and continues to be the most profitable segment today due to the amount of public, governmental, research and enterprise travellers between the two capitals. However, the rail project sucked so much capital from both sides, there were plenty of projects not pursued; the supersonic airliner (*4) planned between British and French airliner manufacturers is the most famous example to be dropped which continues to be the focus of "What if..." speculations and stories on minitel (*5) message boards.

The cancellation of the supersonic airliner did, however, spur the creation of "Airbus", an economic partnership of Hawker Siddeley, Breguet and Nord Aviation (*6). This partnership was created to develop a European designed and manufactured airliner, and despite significant political challenges along the way due to the cost - eventually circumvented with the addition of the Germans, managed to start a fully-fledged airliner programme. Standardising on English as a working language - often attributed to the strong US position in the market, the project elected for metric measurements and instrumentation in the face of existing French standards and British efforts to convert to the metric system. This is often quoted as a major reason why European airline systems are today all in metric units, which was later also adopted almost the entirety of Australasia, Asia and Africa (*7). The programme delivered the A300 prototype on it's maiden flight in 1972 from Paris to London, and turned out to be the first of a few Anglo-French joint efforts in aviation.

By the 1970s, the United Kingdom and France (and by extension the Common Market) were growing closer. It was clear that the Commonwealth was no longer the prime trade partner for the United Kingdom; trade had collapsed with the Commonwealth, as many newly independent nations formed their own trade relationships and found more profitable international trade elsewhere. Some right-wing politicians saw this as an ungrateful Commonwealth turning it's back on the mother country, but in reality most could see that the United Kingdom of the 1970s was a far cry from that of the 1800s - it had almost bankrupted itself during two incredibly expensive world wars. Rapidly growing trade with the Common Market was an increasingly reality, and a tight relationship with France, led to the United Kingdom placing it's application for membership of the Common Market on the table in 1978 and rapidly negotiating it's entry alongside the Republic of Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Greece. Negotiations concluded rapidly for the United Kingdom, given it's existing EFTA membership, closely aligned trade with the Europeans and close relationship with France, which allowed the United Kingdom (along with the Republic of Ireland) to hop to the front of the queue - not the least bit aided by the fact the United Kingdom would help balance the impact of Spain and Portugal joining the bloc.

Today, the United Kingdom continued to hold a special relationship with France, built up over the decades - an entente fratenale, instead of cordiale as it once was. Whilst the French-German axis in Europe may be the economic engine of the bloc, London holds the coin, and much of the important global grand-standing for Europe is done by the United Kingdom and France as per two of few nuclear armed nations, United Nations security council permanent members, as well as both with highly capable militaries. Both are (now) traditionally the first foreign trip for a new leader (*8), both countries usually learn each other's language as a first foreign language, and both now share a number of multinational corporations operating in both nations - one of the most publicly obvious being in supermarket shopping, with Carrefour present in many areas of the UK, and the reverse seeing Tesco in many areas of France (*9).

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(*1) From Wikipedia: ...despite Rear Admiral Hyman Rickover, in charge of the American naval nuclear power programme, being set against any transfer of technology; indeed, Rickover prevented Mountbatten inspecting USS Nautilus. It was not until a visit to Britain in 1956 that Rickover changed his mind and withdrew his objections.
In this TL, that visit to the UK never happens as a consequence of the PoD.
(*2) Butterflying away Euratom, with UK-French efforts largely replacing it.
(*3) This largely happened OTL, but was waved away. It's easy to wave things away when you're good friends, but when you're not on such friendly terms such events appear like a slap in the face.
(*4) No Concorde here, due to cost.
(*5) Cough, minitel, cough cough. What I'm calling the European internet it evolves in to.
(*6) The original Airbus attempts go ahead as UK-French co-operation without the British pulling out.
(*7) I might rewrite this based on feedback if needed, but as far as I can tell, the aviation market uses imperial measurements due to the widespread use of American planes in the infancy of the aviation market. The introduction of this early Airbus, based on UK-French co-operation - with the French already metric, and the UK at this point going metric, might swing much of the market. As far as I can tell, the Soviet Union and China at least used to use metric aviation measurements, so I figured that with the UK-French attempt, the Soviet Union, China and their exports of Airbus planes, it might swing the market in Europe, Africa, Asia, Australasia to metric aviation. If anyone can dig up more detailed information which would invalidate this, please let me know, but that's as far as I could get.
(*8) As far as I can tell, a trip to Paris is high up on the early trips for a new PM anyway.
(*9) Both Carrefour and Tesco did operate in each other's territories in OTL, it just didn't last long....unlike here. I remember shopping at Tesco in France many many years ago.

And also.....no space discussion yet. It's there, it's just not done yet, and likely a chapter unto itself.
PS: Just because Cameron and Sarkozy are in the picture, doesn't necessarily mean they both end up as heads of government; the could both be foreign ministers, relevant defence ministers, something else. Not got anywhere near that far forward yet in writing.
 
I like how good British-French relations are the result of the US being over secretive and dicks over Suez, that closeness will see a lot of cultural changes from OTL, for example I can imagine more European influence in the comic industry instead of just the superhero stuff from DC and Marvel, we might see a lot more variety imported from the continent and books like 2000ad going the other way.

Mintel taking off in the UK from the 60's will likely mean the UK/France/EEC have a much different Internet audience as I could see use of text based 'pages'/irq/forums and such having been around a lot longer means that the switch more visual 'webpages' takes longer as folk hang onto what they know. The Rise of Social Media could look very different, or even not happen in the same way- perhaps it goes the other way and the Anglo-French site 'Personnel' which specialises in chat/organisation/photos takes the US by storm instead.

Maybe Commodore, Amstrad, ARM, and the French equivalents are the computing powerhouses instead of Dell, IBM etc. Maybe there is a European Microsoft?
 
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Better Franco-British relations are pretty interesting for one it means and easier flow of knowledge between the two, like what was said about airbus as well as other collaborative projects like the reactor tech mentioned.

It also has intresting implications for NATO.
Mintel taking off in the UK from the 60's will likely mean the UK/France/EEC have a much differant Internet auidence as I could see use of text based 'pages'/irq/forums and such having been around a lot longer means that the switch more visual 'webpages' takes longer as folk hang onto what they know. The Rise of Social Media could look very differant, or even not happen in the same way- perhaps it goes the other way and the Anglo-French site 'Personel' which specialises in chat/organisation/photos takes the US be storm instead.
That actually raises an interesting question in my mind would that mean UK based computing GEC, Acorn and Marconi will last longer with the collaboration and more open trade with france?

Also given the draw away from the USA would that mean Ferranti will be more Leary of US acquisitions? Mainly because it will avoid the main cause of the companies collapse since the bought a company called ISC which on paper looked good but in fact was mainly used for some clandestine US stuff and the owner pulled some dodgy deals.
 
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