PQ 17.5

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Mike D

johnboy said:
Cool. They should fit in there….
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😂

The museum of the Royal Corps of Signals is only down the road from them too, but even as an ex-Scaley I wouldn't recommend it. Especially since the MILFy red head that used to work the counter in the cafe has probably moved on in the fifteen years since I was last in Blandford.
 

PMN1

johnboy said:
Trip was originally meant to happen May 2020. Then came the thing that must not be named. Put if off to 2021. Insanity still happening. Now it’s finally on.

So, going to - Denmark, Sweden, Norway. Fly to Poland and three days in Warsaw. Fly to UK. Ten days self drive there. Fly to Italy. Meet my daughter, who will have been skiing in Switzerland for a week. Also meet my son. Twelve days in Italy together. Fly to Malta. My daughter goes home. Fly to Spain. Ten days there. My son goes home. Fly to Istanbul. Four days there. Fly to Singapore. Four days there then home.

Looking forward to it.
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Prepare for heat....
 

Cryhavoc101

johnboy said:
Portsmouth is on the agenda. Tank museum at bovington as well. Sadly, my fellow travellers have no interest so not sure how long I’ll have before boredom sets in.
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Yes Bovington is excellent.

Portsmouth (Victory, HMS Driftwood aka Mary rose which is an excellent display, Warrior are all superb) and the Submarine museum in Gosport plus the Explosion museum also in Gosport

But that is a 2 day thing!



And of course HMS Belfast in London!

LOL how long you he
 
David Flin

David Flin

Gone Fishin'
Cryhavoc101 said:
Portsmouth (Victory, HMS Driftwood aka Mary rose which is an excellent display, Warrior are all superb) and the Submarine museum in Gosport plus the Explosion museum also in Gosport
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Also the D-Day Museum in Portsmouth; Fort Nelson in Portchester (home to the Royal Armouries and one of the Palmerston Rock Follies, which currently has a Falklands Exhibition on).
 

The Wooksta!

The Mosquito B.IVs that were in service in 1942 could only carry 4 250lb bombs. Some were later converted to carry a 4,000lb internally but they were unstable, needing larger elevator horn balances, and they were unpopular. Some of the later B.IXs were also converted, but the B.XVIs were built to carry it from the get go. Post war B.35s also could, but they were essentially the mk XVI with new engines.
 

RanulfC

mudhead said:
Quibble: Mosquitoes couldn't carry a stick of cookies, and only a few could carry one at all.
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The Wooksta! said:
The Mosquito B.IVs that were in service in 1942 could only carry 4 250lb bombs. Some were later converted to carry a 4,000lb internally but they were unstable, needing larger elevator horn balances, and they were unpopular. Some of the later B.IXs were also converted, but the B.XVIs were built to carry it from the get go. Post war B.35s also could, but they were essentially the mk XVI with new engines.
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You guys are missing the point, they were actual "cookies" and she was killed in a rush of starving Cookie Monsters! Those things can be deadly if you get between it and a cookie! Don't let Sesame Street fool you into a false sense of security!

Randy
 

nbcman

Donor
Asian Jumbo said:
2submarines in the escort?? How would they keep up? Is this OTL?
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Yes there were 2 subs IOTL for the close escort / convoy screen per Wiki:

Order of battle for Convoy PQ 17 - Wikipedia

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johnboy

johnboy

The Wooksta! said:
The Mosquito B.IVs that were in service in 1942 could only carry 4 250lb bombs. Some were later converted to carry a 4,000lb internally but they were unstable, needing larger elevator horn balances, and they were unpopular. Some of the later B.IXs were also converted, but the B.XVIs were built to carry it from the get go. Post war B.35s also could, but they were essentially the mk XVI with new engines.
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Correct. However, cookie is a generic term for any for of incendiary bomb, including said 250lbers.
 
johnboy

johnboy

Asian Jumbo said:
2submarines in the escort?? How would they keep up? Is this OTL?
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The subs marked time with the merchant convoy, hoping to stitch up U-Boats, which usually attacjked on the surface. The convoys were slow movers, 7-12 knots usually, so keeping up was not an issue.
 

sonofpegasus

I think there might be some confusion over RAF bomb Types.
A Cookie was a high capacity explosive bomb, original weighing 4000lb. Later in the war versions weigh 8000lb and 12000lb were used. These bombs were semi-officially called ' Blockbusters' but were called cookies in RAF slang.
The bulged Mosquito could carry one 4000lb blockbuster (cookie).
RAF heavy bombers would normally carry one 4000lb cookie and several hundred incendiaries.
 
johnboy

johnboy

sonofpegasus said:
I think there might be some confusion over RAF bomb Types.
A Cookie was a high capacity explosive bomb, original weighing 4000lb. Later in the war versions weigh 8000lb and 12000lb were used. These bombs were semi-officially called ' Blockbusters' but were called cookies in RAF slang.
The bulged Mosquito could carry one 4000lb blockbuster (cookie).
RAF heavy bombers would normally carry one 4000lb cookie and several hundred incendiaries.
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Cookie was also a general term used for incendiaries.
 
Admiral Jellicoe

Admiral Jellicoe

Portsmouth also home to the M33 a small WW1 6inch monitor which is rather cool

Assume you have used Broome's book on PQ17. I also hold up the no holds barred memoir of Roger Hill 'Destroyer Captain'. Hill was commanding Ledbury on PQ17. His views on senior command and 'Bob 'Bullshit' Burnett are fully spelt out!
 
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