Our Soviet Union (USSR)

[dunHozzie]

An idea came to me, we should create a Trans-Eurasian Railway/Canals that connects every Eurasian Silk Road members as a way to transport goods, resources, wartime materials. and soldiers.

I quote some information on the Trans-Siberian:

the estimated costs in 1916 U.S. dollars ranged from $770 million to $1 billion, which represented one-fifth of Russia's national debt at the time. During its construction, the Trans-Siberian was a serious drain on the Russian economy

We are 10-15 years further, have lost WW1, just had the Civil War. You all have great plans, but the money / resources just are not there to do anything except rebuild and maybe some industrialisation and some basic extra infrastructure projects. But nothing on that scale.

Even if this USSR does twice as good as OTL, it takes us long to get back to the Tsar's levels:

During the first decade of Soviet rule and up to 1929, the Soviet economy struggled to recover from the damages of World War I, the Revolution, and the civil war, and then to find its way through policy zigzags of the young and inexperienced Soviet leadership. It is commonly accepted that during this decade of the 1920s the Soviet economy more or less managed to regain the level of national product of 1913, the last prewar year.

Say that is 5 years here vs OTL 10 years. With all the mechanisation and industrialisation plans, we'd need another 10 (that's 1935) to get to the level just before WW2, especially if we don't go Stalin's brutal course. And even then we'd be facing 1941 shortages of spare parts, radios, lenses etc etc. We need the time until 1940 at least to become a proper power, then we might put our aim towards USA levels of GDPs (per capita)

 

[Red Angel]

Say that is 5 years here vs OTL 10 years. With all the mechanisation and industrialisation plans, we'd need another 10 (that's 1935) to get to the level just before WW2, especially if we don't go Stalin's brutal course. And even then we'd be facing 1941 shortages of spare parts, radios, lenses etc etc. We need the time until 1940 at least to become a proper power, then we might put our aim towards USA levels of GDPs (per capita)

True but it'll a unified effort between the us and other members of the Eurasian Silk Road, of course you're right with having to wait until 1940 or later.

 

[panpiotr]

Update incomin'?

 

[CountofDooku]

Update incomin'?

The next weekend, had so much charity work this one that I had no time for the Our Stuff sadly ... still it was fun for all animals and humans in our anniversary, even if it was much to do

 

[panpiotr]

The next weekend, had so much charity work this one that I had no time for the Our Stuff sadly ... still it was fun for all animals and humans in our anniversary, even if it was much to do

Btw whats the current date?

 

[CountofDooku]

Btw whats the current date?

1927 during the Kuomintang Autumn Harvest Uprising (out of the top of my head roughtly) ;D

 

[panpiotr]

On the topic of foreign affairs, I think that it would be a good idea to have a vote about our ultimate goal for the 1940s, as for now we have not decided what is really our endgoal here. I know that everybodys dream is a worldwide revolution, but we should have a roadmap how to achieve it so to say. Obviously, comrades here might their own vision how this could be achieved.

Personally, I belong to the faction which believes that without a war against the West, there is no chance of destroying the current world order spearheaded by most powerful countries on this planet: United States and Great Britain. My bet is that the next great war will be between 2 power blocs, that is continental powers (Germany, USSR and China) against maritime/colonial/capitalist powers (USA, Britain, France and Japan) with Italy undecided which faction to join.

 

[dunHozzie]

I don't think war is necessary. After WW2 it could have gone quite peaceful. There was enough pro Soviet propaganda in the West to make conflict unnecessary.

Another option would be a 3 way tie between China, the West and the Warsaw pact.

I only think WW2 is tricky to avoid, since a new PM doesn't impact the rest of the world

 

[CountofDooku]

This weekend updates here again as I have time to actually do so again, sorry for the week delay guys, gurls and maybe even aliens among us (I know my girl/ woman is one that's for sure).

 

[Red Angel]

I thought of an idea, we should reconstruct (or at least preserve) Chersonesus ruins to how it used to look like in ancient times but with modern technology, at least by 20th century standards, and become a tourist location for those who would be interested in an ancient city brought back into the modern age.

 

[Santo Nombre]

This is my first post on this thread.

You all have great plans, but the money / resources just are not there to do anything except rebuild and maybe some industrialisation and some basic extra infrastructure projects.

Thats right. And we must consider that there is not the stalinist planned heavy industry approach for the developpent, so there will be a more organic economic grow, but unable to export troops, weapons, tanks, etc.
So forget military adventures far away; neither close ones if they have to be massive. That is: no Central America and no China.

I think that it would be a good idea to have a vote about our ultimate goal for the 1940s, as for now we have not decided what is really our endgoal here. I know that everybodys dream is a worldwide revolution, but we should have a roadmap how to achieve it so to say.

Exactly. IMHO, we are facing a USSR that is not Trotskyist (so no financing and supporting the revolution wherever it sparks) nor Stalinist (so no concentrating on making Russia a red bulwark even if that means to (ab)use or betray other socialist/comunist countries). The approach can be based on a strong diplomatic-economic strategy, as the silk road is.

First: Trade with everybody to make yours economy healthier.
Second: Cooperate and integrate on your market sympathetic countries (at the moment China and Germany). If a democratic country choose a party antipathetic to Socialism or Comunism don't stop trading but don't go further in the integration.
Third: Each time a country enters a civil war keep trading with the faction that is sympathetic to you or at least denounce the most antipathetic faction.
Four: Start cutting ties with the capitalistic empires. Britain is the main superpower, so lets try to be economically independent of them. France hardly can be convinced of abandoning its african and asian empire, so lets limit our interaction. Italy in Africa, Japan in Asia and USA in Latam are clearly trying to create their own empires, so we must stop trading with them, denounce their predatory behavior and support the local rule, always following rule 3.

Rebellions and Unrest in the World:
A) focus on the West and Central America and Mexico at first
B) focus on the East and Wang China first
C) try to aid both equally

C, but aid means aid so no militar intervention, just favourable and strategic trade and support on the League of Nations. That's a lot by now.

 

[dunHozzie]

First of all, welcome!

Then to respond:

First: Trade with everybody to make yours economy healthier.

Absolutely, but don't forget this is 1920-ties USSR, we don't have much yet nor do we have a good standing just after revolution.

Second: Cooperate and integrate on your market sympathetic countries (at the moment China and Germany). If a democratic country choose a party antipathetic to Socialism or Comunism don't stop trading but don't go further in the integration.

China is in the middle of a great mess, the Weimar Republic is unstable and facing hyperinflation OTL. I'm still not convinced either is worth trading with unless it's German knowhow for grain, iron and other raw goods.

Third: Each time a country enters a civil war keep trading with the faction that is sympathetic to you or at least denounce the most antipathetic faction.

Yes

Four: Start cutting ties with the capitalistic empires. Britain is the main superpower, so lets try to be economically independent of them. France hardly can be convinced of abandoning its african and asian empire, so lets limit our interaction. Italy in Africa, Japan in Asia and USA in Latam are clearly trying to create their own empires, so we must stop trading with them, denounce their predatory behavior and support the local rule, always following rule 3.

I don't think we can. Who else has the money even during the depression and/or relevant knowledge worth our natural resources?

Edit: and the transport capacity!

 

[CountofDooku]

Soviet and International Support

During the Rebellions and Unrest in the World, the Soviet Union was quit split, with it’s Navy and Air Forces wishing to focus on West and Central America and Mexico at first, while the Army was for supporting the East and Wang China first, each in regards to what was most easiest, feasible and long-term positive and efficient for them. Parts of these movements in Central America and the Karibbean were also taken over by Stalinists, while Trotskyists had larger influence over these Chinese and East Asian Movements. While the theoretical principle of complementary at the Fifth Solvay Conference on Physics are presented by Niels Bohr and in South Dakota the sculpture carvings at Mount Rushmore begin, the Mexican People’s Republic wins over Christeros and Conservatives alike, leaving the American backed Norther Republic of Mexico the only thing now still standing in the way of the new Southern Mexico/ Aztex/ Aztlan People’s Republic.

Mexican support for Leftist Rebels in Central America also quickly leads to the defeat of Federal Government forces and their American backers there, resulting in the declaration of the United People’s Republics of Central America (UPRCA). Fearful of this the British increase their troop numbers in Belize and Jamaica, while the United States Army and Navy send reinforcements to the Panama Canal, declaring to the UPRCA that any attempt to seize, nationalize, or otherwise takeover the international important Panama Canal would lead to a direct American reaction and military intervention. At the same time Pan American Airways smuggles advisers, weapons and supplies to Havana Cuba, to create local anti-left regimes and movements to oppose the rise of leftist governments in the Americas, with enemy ones. In Porto Seguro, Brazil meanwhile the Italian ocean liner Principessa Mafalda capsizes, killing 314 people.

 

[Red Angel]

Yeah... I don't see the anti-leftist propaganda working in Cuba since the Cubans (at least the lower class) are tired of being under America's corporations and dictator... but we should warn the UPRCA to not go after the Panama Canal and Belize since it hasn't been that long since the civil war ended. of course it wouldn't be surprising that UPRCA became a Stalinist nation, let's hope it doesn't copies Stalin's ideals/purging as they're still far away from us and with Mexico still in a civil war with the American backed/puppet in the North, yeah...

 

[Red Angel]

(Sorry for double posting)

An idea came to me, we should look into creating frozen meals for not just military use but also for civilian use like planes & tourist airships so the latter don't have to keep landing to resupply on food stuff.

 

[CountofDooku]

(Sorry for double posting)

An idea came to me, we should look into creating frozen meals for not just military use but also for civilian use like planes & tourist airships so the latter don't have to keep landing to resupply on food stuff.

The idea might come up, I mean preserving food fresher by freezing might be more common in Russian Siberia even among mroe native peoples then in many other places of Earth I would assume, have to read into that some more

 

[Red Angel]

The idea might come up, I mean preserving food frsher by freezing might be more common in Russian Siberia even among mroe native peoples then in many other places of Earth I would assume, have to read into that some more

Yup and we could also create air fryers since a certain man named "William L. Maxson" actually created one called the "Maxson Whirlwind Oven" and tried to patent it in 1945 but died in 1947 so we could become the first nation to creating it. He also was the first one to *create the frozen meals (still debated on who invented it) for the US Navy and eventually airliners.

 

[weNEEDlove]

watch this video and understand how much Stalin/great purge/crippling state negatively effected Weapon development in the USSR.

try drinking everytime a "the decision to change X design was delayed due to reorganization/no part".....

So we can assume, weapon development would be more competent than OTL. And we might have our own “Sherman”

 

[panpiotr]

Update coming this week comrade?

 

[CountofDooku]

Update coming this week comrade?

Da Comrade!