That’s not the SUSR’s choice. That’s very much on NATO and its constituent nations, and the nations that wanna join. NATO isn’t the Warsaw Pact. And while the SUSR is not the chaos that OTL post-USSR Eastern Europe is, doesn’t mean everyone trusts them
America's Funniest President: Mo Udall Presidency & Beyond
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Doubt it though I reckon Brazil is doing a bit better than OTL comparatiely at the time of the 1990s.
Are any popular TV shows that '90s may remember different ITTL?
Any in particular you wanna know for the early 1990s? Swat Kats will likely last 3 seasons here and the team move on to a new project.
Family Matters doesn’t have Steve Urkel become as popular, at least not to overshadow the main cast
I found Urkel to be very annoying while watching that show. Does the character still exist ITTL or is he at least more bearable (and how that would affect the show itself)?
Would still exist, just not be as frequent and likely not as dominant. Still would retain the dark horse element for him.
Disney's acquisition of Harvey's stable of characters is a major feather in its cap and I could see them releasing
It's not surprising that Jim Shooter would part ways with Marvel, eventually, but I so have some questions:
-Did Shooter launch Valiant using the Gold Key characters? (Solar, Turok, Magnus, etc.)
-What are the status of the Image founders ITTL? I'm guessing that they didn't leave Marvel, but I could see DC and Valiant/Malibu trying to woo the likes of Todd McFarlane and Jim Lee to their camp.
Given than many of the factors that led to the speculator bubble and its collapse are out of play, I can see the industry in a much healthier place by 2000. Valiant/Malibu could very well become a force to be reckoned with and take a decent slice of the marker (let's say about 15%) with Disney gaining a foothold if it acquires Archie.
Look good so far!
Yup, pretty much! Not to mention usng the Harvey Girls for potential television stuff (potential spoilers there), soemthing with Wendy and one character that some may get ideas for But yeah, they got a bunch of characters for all sorts of ideas.
Archie Comics they didn't buy since it is private, but they did get a deal to license certain character like how DC did with Mighty Crusaders in OTL and a bit more there. Disney has got a bit of plans over from seeing stuff with Archie they could try there.
Nope. He would use the Malibu characters to launch Valiant more or less, with Valiant now having the Ultraverse. May still include Doctor Solar though.
And all the Image founders are the same as OTL, except that Chris Claremont would end up joining them here, becoming the eighth founder. So McFarlane and Lee would still found Image Comics. Also, I appreciate your input and so on, so you earned a bonus!
I could see Spawn would somewhat still be made, but with a more horror focused than violence (invocative of the old school horror comics), and the character itself not called Spawn. Butterflies would come of this. (Also, remember, because of a bunch of these elements, we don't get Venom/Eddie Brock).
Archie is a private company, with it only being public for a decade until becoming private. That said, Disney did get a bit of stock in the last years of it being public and would use that to get something of a sweetheart deal with Archie. And yeah, big things are coming, especially with other elements into play.
I would like to see how DC and Marvel Comics are going. Perhaps when they make the Amalgam Comics sometime in the '90s they'll end up merging?
Well, when I talk about Brass Age of Comics part 2, we'll see, but DC and Marvel won't merge as companies. Still defined by different creative policies and directions.
I am wondering how the Ultraverse would fare under Jim Shooter or Chris' inclusion in Image Comics will have.
Alot will be changing and figuring it out is intriguing. X-Men would be a weird limbo in the Afterwar canon. They no longer have allegory to fall back so they have to rely on their own stuff, but alot of that is detached from the rest of Marvel at this point that the question is on whether to incorporate the mutants closer to Marvel or spin them off in their own direction away from main Marvel.
What do you think, @Pyro ?
But, boy oh boy, do I have one hell of an idea...
Alot will be changing and figuring it out is intriguing. X-Men would be a weird limbo in the Afterwar canon. They no longer have allegory to fall back so they have to rely on their own stuff, but alot of that is detached from the rest of Marvel at this point that the question is on whether to incorporate the mutants closer to Marvel or spin them off in their own direction away from main Marvel.
What do you think, @Pyro ?
But, boy oh boy, do I have one hell of an idea...
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Spring 1994- The Rwandan Intervention
Spring 1994- The Rwandan Intervention
New Flag of South Africa (1994-present)
New Flag of South Africa (1994-present)
NATO's future continued to look rather uncertain in its path. While the Cold War was over, there was a lot of hesitation in just dismantling NATO outright. That said, the move made in suspending Turkey from the organization did renew talks on how to move the organization forward and address the future of Central and Eastern Europe. While the European Union, the new project that was beginning to move forward, looked promising, it was unknown on their capabilities for military operations. For the more pragmatic, it was also just recoginizing the need for the US to project its influence as a superpower, especially since the Yugoslavic Wars have proven that intervention for larger events are needed. Meanwhile, the SUSR did address their concerns on Central and Eastern Europe joining NATO while said new nations expressed said interest to protect themselves. However, a third option was being proposed: that Central and Eastern Europe forming their version of NATO. The idea being that it would follow a similar structure and order like NATO though without American backing. Or rather direct American backing as a member of the organization. The plan being that this new organization could work hand in hand with NATO and be able to request NATO's assistance and thus affording them practically the same level of protection. This proposal began gathering more interest over for the various nations, especially Poland. However, questions remained on the phenomenon, including on if this would actually barr these nations from joining NATO in the first place.
Over in international news, there was news both good to celeberate and bad to prepare for. The people of Finland hold their referendum and vote to join the European Union, showing the growing popularity of the organization. Another referendum meanwhile would have the people of Moldova turn down the opportunity to reunite with Romania, at least for the time being. [1] A third referendum in Europe meanwhile would gather a bit more attention: Ukraine voting for federalization. With the first parliamentary elections in the independent Ukraine, constitutional questions regarding the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts would be proposed: On whether Russian should be declared an official language of Ukraine, whether Ukraine should federalise, and whether Ukraine should have closer ties over with the SUSR. Close to 90% of the people would vote in favor of these policies, but despite this, the Ukrainian government initially rejected following through on some of these policies, leading to general strikes in the region. [2] The SUSR condemned the Ukrainian government for ignoring the will of the people and the US would follow up on it, both for differing reasons. Ultimately, it would be through a combination of deals, political strongarming and the growing discontent in Ukraine in general that the government would cave on these policies. Ukraine would federalize as a nation and the Ukrainian government used this to deal with other questions. The status of Russian as an additional official language would be kicked down over to the oblast level. This process was made a bit easier by modifying what had been done with the Autonomous Oblast of Qirim and applying it across the nation. As for closer ties with the SUSR, deals were being arranged though in exchange, the Ukrainian government also planned additional talks with the United States along with some of their other neighbors, especially for investment opportunites.
However, while this would have a peaceful resolution, troubling news came over from Africa. Growing tensions between the Hutus and Tutsis of Rwanda would begin reaching an all-time high and attempts at reigning the peace have not been successful so far. The situation exploded when the airplane carrying Rwandan President Juvénal Habyarimana and Cyprien Ntaryamira, the Hutu president of Burundi would explode. An ongoing onslaught of violence would begin over against the Tutsis, with the scenes of shock and horror to the world. The question of intervention was raised and it seemed like none of Rwanda's neighbors would get involved, at least directly. However, this didn't mean other nations wouldn't get involved. The Ethiopian Empire and South Africa would push for further involvement along with President Askew. Ethiopia was a big help in this regard, especially in regards to their lending assistance to the Americans in handling the Somali Civil War. As such, with funding from Ethiopia and other parts of Africa and some assistance from the SUSR, the private military group Executive Outcomes would be hired and sent to assist in UN peacekeeping missions to stop the attempts of slaughter by the various forces, predominantly the the Impuzamugambi and the Interahamwe. [3] At the same time, concerns were being listed that leader of the RPF, Paul Kagame, was the one behind the assassination attempts, prompting further emergancy discussions on further involvement, especially France, given how it was a French crew that died in the crash. In the meanwhile, Executive Outcomes cooperating with UN forces and others got in and began their work in protecting people and preventing the attempts of genocide.
Despite all the chaos going on in Africa, good news remained in discussion. South Africa would adopt a new flag to replace the one used during the time of apartheid. After two years of development, the Linux kernel version 1.0.0 would be released. It would end up booming in popularity over in Finland, primarily due to their software scene influenced by the GNU presence in Russia as well as how its creator, Linus Torvalds was Finnish-American. Though speaking of computers, the People's Republic of China would begin establishing their first major connections to the Internet. At the same time, China was also in growing talks over with Kim Il-Sung over Korean reunification plans, especially with concerns of his health and he was being pressured not just by the Chinese, but also by the SUSR to go and begin discussions on the matter, while pursuing renewable energy opportunities with the Askew administration. Kurt Cobain of Nirvana would be found in critical condition from what was a suicide attempt, apparently from an attempt via shotgun, but unable to do so. He would be taken over to the hospital and the music scene watched with a growing concern over his health along with that of Courtney Love, his wife and a prominent musician of the second riot grrl scene. Meanwhile, the Flavr Savr, a genetically modified tomato, is deemed safe for consumption by the FDA, becoming the first commercially grown genetically engineered food to be granted a license for human consumption.[1]
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[1]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994
[2]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas#In_independent_Ukraine_(1991–2014)
[3]- Information and phrasing from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide
Would also like to thank this thread for a bit of help: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-intervention-in-rwanda.291283/
But yeah, no "Black Hawk Down" mess because butterfly effect and help from Ethiopia.
Very interesting update here. Good that Rwanda got the help it should've gotten, or at least, enough to make the situation less worse.
Yup, threads here ended up helping. It's not gonna even be half the crap show with the Genocide, but it helps the US and SUSR are willing to help out and it's a good way to earn some positive reputation. Ukraine meanwhile has federalized and trying to balance themselves diplomatically. But yeah, it's a heck of a time unsurprisingly.
For a later post, perhaps one topic you can cover, the from Gorbachev as head of the SUSR to a new leader, if you wish.transition
Yeah, possibly. Though the SUSR leader would be the one chosen over from the "superparty" of former communists/basically the former Communist Parties reforming and moderating a bit while exploiting their connections and past to have the main advantage.
Possibly though it's likely most of the stuff would remain the same. While taking more seriously things like approaching same-sex relations and so on, it's likely we'd still have the main 6 there, though with a greater diverse cast of side and supporting characters
Cool. If more diverse, maybe a storyline could be Phoebe having a literal blind date, as in her date is actually blind.