A Second Tirpitz

The original design was 15 in - reverting areas isn't as lengthy as designing from scratch (or at least, it isn't now. I assume it's a greater benefit when working on paper rather than CAD)

The problem is I think you have 2 options,

Treaty's hold - 14' and 35kt OTL ship
(ok you could change some stuff ie 10 main guns and 4.5' DP and more speed a bit later later)

Treaty's don't hold 16'+ and 45kt+

I think you are locked in very early (34/36) on in the design due to long lead times for guns/mounts and design (and I dont think there was ever a 15' design that went beyond a simple sketch of options for the board)
 
We’re told everything is going to plan, and maybe that’s so. But I think it’s going harder than the generals thought, especially for the tankers. We’ve not been able to call on our flying artillery or any damned artillery for that matter since the first day, and seeing as the tankers have priority that’s got to mean they’re in deeper trouble than expected. No artillery means that taking strongpoints – like the one at that barracks yesterday – is harder and costlier work, and the Czechs are tenacious bastards. We keep moving forward, though, and they’ve no got much country to retreat into.

Feldwebel Gerhardt Liebstadt 15 May 39​

The Battle is lost, but the war will continue. The Czech government will reform in exile. Officers and men of the Czech armed forces are to attempt to reach allied territory and reconstitute Free Czech forces to assist in the liberation of our nation. If unable to reach allied territory, Czech armed forces are to surrender and await our return.

Top Secret message to all Czech units, 02 Benes, 30 May 39​

We have bled the enemy, have broken their machines and broken their men. Yet when a giant takes on a man, that man needs friends and our friends have been unable to intervene. They are coming! Though our land is under the German boot, it shall no be so for long. Those of us that can will join the French and British and liberate those left behind. We shall return.

Benes, proclamation 04 Jun 39​
 
Under the command of V Adm Holland in HMS Renown the squadron (consisting of HM Ships Renown (Flag), Courageous, Hunter, Hotspur, Gallant and Garland) was carrying out patrol duties around [enter Long / Lat]. Courageous had flown off Swordfish of 811 Sqdn FAA for reconnaissance duties and Sea Gladiators of 801 Sqdn FAA for combat air patrol. At 0630 14 June 39 the Swordfish of Lt E Valerie RN reported smoke consistent with a sizeable body of shipping and moved to investigate, with an additional plane sent to cover that assigned area. Contact with Lt Valerie was lost without further reports and an enemy force was assumed to be in the area. All remaining Swordfish onboard were armed for an anti-shipping strike while those in the air vectored in to Lt Valeries last known position. The Renown and destroyers formed up so as to be able to engage when possible and the squadron tuned to close the distance on he enemy, while signalling the contact report to the Fleet.

At 0700 a Sea Gladiator identified and chased a Ju-87 shadowing the squadron, but was unable to close due to the cloud cover. This identification confirmed that the German aircraft carrier was at sea and further Sea Gladiators were set to enable immediate take off in case of air attack. At 0713 a formation of enemy planes was identified in the air, and all armed planes ordered to take off, Gladiators followed by Swordfish, with the intention of clearing the deck of any potential flammable or explosive materials. Although rushed the Swordfish were to form and fly to the estimated position of the German squadron and attack, while the readied Gladiators dealt with the air raid. All other planes were, as standard procedure, left defueled and with ammunition remove in the hangar deck.

Fifteen Gladiators had flown off or were on patrol, and faced a raid of 10 Ju-87 and 15 Bf-109. The enemy fighters outclassed ours and due to a limited raid warning positioning was poor, and as such 8 Gladiators were shot down or damaged beyond repair, for 1 109 and 2 Stuka, but the raid was somewhat broken up. The remaining Stukas dropped on Renown, achieving one hit forrard and 2 near misses with no noticeable damage. One Stuka was shot down by the AA fire of Renown and escorts.


The torpedo strike was guided in by Lt Cdr Samson, who maintained contact with the German fleet through judicious use of cloud cover and highly courageous flying. His directions, given despite significant threat from enemy aircraft to the attack planes allowed the strike to be carried out, and his remaining in place to carry out post strike assessment was highly meritorious. However, all Swordfish, including Lt Cdr Samson, were shot down during this attack and it was unknown at the time whether any hits were achieved, although it later transpired that the KMS Admiral Scheer was struck at least once. No reports on the enemy squadrons size or composition were received.

During this period the two squadrons had closed to under 20 miles separation and it became clear that HM Ships were significantly outnumbered, the enemy consisting of five heavy ships and escorts. Under the orders of V Adm Holland the squadron reversed course with the intention of leading the enemy into the main Fleet. However, by 1345 the lead elements of the enemy were within very long range and opened fire upon the Flagship, which had taken position in the rear. Renown returned fire shortly after with her rear guns.

Gunnery results at extreme range were poor from both sides, although Renown straddled the enemy first. At 1417 Renown suffered a near miss to the rear of the ship and signalled that damage had been received which would reduce top speed. Courageous and the destroyers Hunter and Hotspur were ordered to maintain course and speed, while Renown, Gallant and Garland were to act as a delaying force.

I decided that it would be advantageous to utilise the remaining strike force under my command and outfitted an anti-ship strike with the remaining Swordfish protected by a number of Gladiators. Due to the time taken to arrange his strike, refuel and rearm the remaining planes and launch, form up and deploy the strike Courageous had proceeded beyond visual range of the battle and the strike first came upon the lone KMS Admiral Scheer manoeuvring South East at approximately 20kts and down by the bow. The strike launched a ‘hammer and anvil’ attack and following three torpedo hits the ship was seen to roll over and sink. No planes were lost in this operation.

Courageous recovered planes and joined with the Home Fleet. On reaching he last known position of HM Ships Renown, Gallant and Garland at 0500 15 Jun 39 only debris was recovered. No German ships were in evidence.
Evidence to Court Martial Captain WT Maekig-Jones RN of HMS Courageous, 23 Jun 1939​

Although Schnarhorst and Gneisenau straddled the British battleship from around 1400 there seemed to be little effect until some fifteen minutes later when Renown was seen to slow and turn out of line to unmask all her guns. All ships of the squadron continued to close on the enemy ships at best speed while maintaining accurate fire.

Unmasking hr guns allowed the enemy to fire upon both Schnarhorst and Gneisenau, and by 1430 both had received some hits, Schnarhorst having he worst of it with Bruno having been put out of action while Gneisenau had a minor fire on the upper deck. Apart from the reduction in speed no significant effect was observed on the enemy ship. However, at this time Bismarck and Tirpitz came into action and once they began to score hits the fight was quickly beaten out of the British ship and her guns silenced. A torpedo attack by the British destroyers was beaten off, although Emdem was damaged and Hans Lody sunk by torpedo hits. Both British destroyers were sunk.

With fire from the enemy slackened off the remaining destroyers were ordered to close and sink with torpedoes. The initial attack was ineffective as, unordered by the Admiral, Oberstleutnant Petersen had launched an air strike which distracted the torpedo runs to no good effect. A second set of runs was more effective with the British ship rolling over and sinking. Survivors were picked up by the escorts as the fleet withdrew

End of Report of R Adm Ciliax to OKM 16 Jun 1939​

Controversy will continue around what sunk HMS Renown – shell, torpedo, the actions of her own crew or even (as the Luftwaffe claimed at the time) the bombs of the Stuka force. The coda to this battle is that within seven days the KM had no Pocket Battleships left afloat – with Admiral Scheer sunk by the Courageous aircrews as part of the Admiral Hollands Action both the Deutschland and the Admiral Graf Spee were caught and sunk by the British hunting groups in actions that were trumpeted at the time as an evening of the scores and a reestablishment of British sea power, but even so recognised as victories with benefits more to the propaganda effort than the balance of fleet power.

Deutschland was caught more by chance than skill, bad weather in the North Sea allowing lookouts on HMS Glowworm to spot the German cruiser and bring HMS Repulse, sailing in concert with HMS Hermes, to battle. As in the Falkland Islands at the start of the first world war, the RN battlecruiser carried out its role perfectly, hunting and overwhelming a slower, more poorly armed and more poorly protected foe.

The Graf Spee was sunk in a fight notable for its, possibly unique in the annals of war, adherence to the plan of one of the forces. Graf Spee was found, slowed and shadowed by aircraft from HMS Argus, allowing the Queen Elizabeth class battleships HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Warspite to close within range and shatter the German ship with heavy gunfire. Of greater impact was the recognition during this battle onboard HMS Queen Elizabeth that she had been correcting for Warspites fall of shot, beginning the process to introduce measures to prevent this in future.

John Keegan Battle At Sea, 1988​
 

sharlin

Banned
Very nicely written interesting take on the battle and a brave sacrifice by the Renown against overwhelming odds. Also the quality difference in aircraft will very much illustrate that the FAA needs new planes NOW.
 
Very nicely written interesting take on the battle and a brave sacrifice by the Renown against overwhelming odds. Also the quality difference in aircraft will very much illustrate that the FAA needs new planes NOW.

Thank you!

You're right about the improved planes being needed - the issue is that the Skua is just entering service and isn't much cop against a Bf109... I'm considering a couple of ideas which will show up in the next post
 
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"Deutschland was caught more by chance than skill, bad weather in the North Sea allowing lookouts on HMS Glowworm to spot the German cruiser and bring HMS Repulse"


Bad weather reduces visibility, rather than improving it.
 
"Deutschland was caught more by chance than skill, bad weather in the North Sea allowing lookouts on HMS Glowworm to spot the German cruiser and bring HMS Repulse"


Bad weather reduces visibility, rather than improving it.

My understanding, (from matelots of my acquaintance) is that it does affect visibility but that affect is enhanced on smaller ships. Therefore, a destroyer is more likely to see a cruiser / pocket battleship than the other way around - and so allows Glowworm to spot and shadow the Deutschland, while bringing in the Repulse - which, with its significant speed advantage can close and destroy the german ship.
 
While it is unfortunate that only limited support can be proffered to our allies in Czechoslovakia, France must gather her strength before any offensive could be considered.

Anglo-French Supreme War Council May 1939​

From the Office of the 1st Lord of the Admiralty
To All Sea Lords
Most Secret
Given the outcome of the Hollands Action and the obvious aim of the German navy to defeat the RN in detail you are hereby requested and required to expedite those measures which will increase the capital ship strength of the RN in home waters. You are to expedite the completion of the refits of HM Ships Hood, Malaya and Glorious and the test, trials and commissioning work on Lion, Conqueror, Victorious and Formidable with associated air squadrons. You are to release one, or if considered prudent two, battleships from the Mediterranean Fleet
Consideration is to be given to expedite the fitting of RADAR onboard HM Ships and, in co-operation with the Air Ministry, into expediting the test and trials of a airborne RADAR for detecting shipping.
This office will officially contact the Air Ministry to request increased support to Coastal Command.
WSC

To V Adm Sir AB Cunningham KCB, DCNS
You are hereby requested and required to report aboard HMS Warspite on her arrival in Scapa Flow and take up command of HM Ships Warspite, Hood, Malaya, Lion, Conqueror, Formidable, Victorious and Courageous plus associated escorts with the express intention of destroying the enemy capital ships in the North Sea
1SL

Notes and considerations from the recent victory over the RN
The concept of operations has been proven to be correct. The RN can be defeated in detail if the recce battle is won. The Kriegsmarine has an advantage in reconnaissance thanks to high quality ships and personnel
Luftwaffe planes are significantly better than the RN planes they will meet for the foreseeable future
The Schnarhorst-class requires up gunning, as the 11-in gun is insufficient to defeat British battleship armour
Engagement ranges were greater than considered due to good visibility. Designs for the H class may wish to investigate a different armour scheme to allow such engagements.
Ships such as the Deutschland-class, being neither battleship nor cruiser are obsolescent and if caught by true battleship or battlecruiser will be destroyed. No more of this type should be considered for build

While the conops was correct and allowed us to achieve success, the loss of suitably powerful surface raiders will prevent its repeat, while less powerful raiders will not allow the Kriegsmarine to sufficiently weaken the RN battle line so as to achieve the strategic objective of forcing the British to retain a larger proportion of their army in the home islands and supporting victory against France. Potential operations that will create this opportunity include:
- A powerful assault on the Channel troop convoys, which will split the RN fleet to protect these. However, the RN holds its R class Battleships in the south and these, while obsolescent are sufficient to protect convoys, and would have to be defeated – with likely damage to the Kriegsmarine - to bring any strength from the North. This is also unlikely to separate the RN into small enough squadrons to enable the Kriegsmarine to be certain of victory.
- Bombardment of the East Coast of England, while may produce the required fragmentation of the RN fleet is more likely to be combated by increased air patrols supported by a concentrated fleet and so will allow the KM to be defeated in detail, as well as increasing the threat from mines, submarines etc.
- A descent on Norway will raise the threat of North Sea bases for U-boats and Surface ships to attack convoys in the Atlantic, as well as the Norwegian iron trade impacts. The British fleet will be forced to cover several different areas of conflict if Britain is to fight in this sphere, allowing several successful encounters for the Kriegsmarine.

Grossadmiral Raeder
 
100 YEAR RULE
DO NOT RELEASE UNTIL AUG 2039

Covering note.
This was delivered by Bert Sas, Netherlands military attaché to Berlin to our embassy in the Netherlands. Its contents is assessed as reliable, but must be confirmed by other sources. The source is considered to have motives aligning to but not the same as the UK
C

Herr Chamberlain
I hope that the seriousness of our position is now obvious, after your repudiation of support during the Sudetenland crisis. The leaders of this nation have now taken us into a war which if it continues could kill millions and bring the spectre of communism into the centre of Europe. While we have lost some of the military support we would have before combat had begun, many still remain concerned about a war in the west. To take advantage of this concern you must act quickly – any assault by or on the Slavic peoples will gather to H the best thoughts of all the General Staff.
Heed, then, this warning, though it may send thousands of my countrymen to a watery grave. The navy is planning an attack on Norway, to weaken your naval forces. No land offensive will take place in France until mid 1940. If you weaken morale with victories then vW, vB, B and C may act as they wished to last year.
The bearer of this note is a friend and ally, and will confirm its provenance.
HO
 
To: 1SL CINC HOME FLEET
HMS WARSPITE, at sea
3 Aug 39
Sir,
Squadron evolutions have commenced. Although total top speed is limited by the inclusion of older ships, the striking power of this command is significant and I submit for your approval plans to use such power to destroy the German fleet.
V Adm AB Cunningham

To: Cunningham
Expedite Operation LONGBOW

HNM Ambassador to St James’ Court
15 Aug 1939
Sir,
It has become obvious to HM Government over the past weeks that the German armed forcs are likely to attempt a descent upon your country within the next month. We offer Norway a defensive alliance, including the French Republic, to ensure the protection of your country. However, such an assault would be a threat to the security of this Kingdom and so we shall take any necessary steps to prevent a German assault whether the Kingdom of Norway is in alliance with the United Kingdom and French Republic or not
Neville Chamberlain

To: OKW
From the Office of the Fuhrer
Operation Weserubung approved. Objective to destroy British Fleet, to capture bases for threatening England, to secure iron supplies.

We marched north, and the Danes surrendered. Since then they’ve been docile, quiet – not like the Czechs. In Bohemia we kept dying well after the surrender, and still are. I hear they’ve appointed some SS guy to hold them down. Wont need that here, you could appoint a HJ troop to hold the Danes in check.
I hear others have been transferred to ships. Wir fahren nach England? Surely not.
Diary of Feldwebel Gerhardt Liebstadt 10 Sep 39​

Operation plan for the Unternehmen Wesrubung Nord

2 divisions to assault Denmark
Luftwaffe to assault runways with fallschirmjaeger, and threaten bombardment of cities. Bombardment to commence if surrender not forthcoming.

Gneisenau, Bismarck, Tirpitz, Freidrich der Grosse, Herman Goering to stand off as cover and attempt intercept of RN forces

10 destroyers with 2000 troops to assault Narvik
Karlsruhe and four destroyers with 1500 troops to Trondheim
Koln and Konigsberg, auxiliary ships and Schnellboots with 1400 troops to Bergen
4 minesweepers and 150 troops to Egersund
Nurnberg Schnellboots and auxiliaries with 1100 troops to Kristiansand
Schnarhorst (note – Bruno remains Out of Action) Leipzig and minesweepers with 2000 troops to Oslo

Once Denmark is consolidated utilise runways for air support and transport troops to consolidate Norway
 

sharlin

Banned
This is great stuff :) You're setting up one HELL of a battle of the Norwegian coast especially as the Germans are actively looking for a punch up.
 
Paulo, Sharlin thank you! The battle is proving a little more difficult because a) finding the right PoV document is being difficult, especially from the German side; and b) I'm suddenly a lot busier than I was in and out of work, which is hitting research and writing time. It will be done though!
 
Battle of the Forties, part 1

Supplement to
The London Gazette
Of Wednesday 20 July 1943
Published by Authority
Registered as a Newspaper​

Friday 23 July 1943​

THE BATTLE OF THE FORTIES

The following despatch was submitted to the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty on 6 September 1939 by Vice Admiral Sir A B Cunningham KCB, DSO Vice Admiral commanding the 5th Battle Squadron.

HMS WARSPITE
6 September 1939

Be pleased to lay before their Lordships the attached reports of the Battle of the Forties, 4 to 5 September 1939.
2. Acting on orders from their Lordships I had taken my squadron to sea to execute Operation LONGBOW, a strike on the enemy fleet in harbour at Wilhelmshaven. The disposition of forces was intended to allow an air striking force to be formed and attack while protected from surface attack by the remainder of the battlefleet.
3. Whilst at sea high priority signal traffic was received from their Lordships to note that the German fleet was at sea with the intention of invading Norway, and hat the capital ships of the enemy were believed to be providing a strong covering force to the west of the invading forces.
4. Commander-in-Chief Home Fleet* (*Admiral Sir Charles Forbes KCB, DSO) instructed the remainder of Home Fleet to sea, with the 2nd Battle Squadron (Vice Admiral B Fraser) to patrol to the North and the Battlecruiser Squadron (Vice Admiral J Somerville) to interdict the attempted landings in the North of Norway. 5th Battle Squadron was ordered to find fix and destroy the enemy heavy units.
5. Aircraft from HMS FORMIDABLE sighted and reported an enemy force to the southwest numbering some 10 ships and including an aircraft carrier (believed to be HERMAN GOERING) at 1210 . As in previous actions interception by enemy naval fighters was quick, and two Fleet Air Arm TSR planes were shot down. The air striking force was formed on HMS FORMIDABLE and VICTORIOUS, and COURAGEOUS, allowing two strikes. Distance and bearing information from the lost planes allowed the squadron to close on the enemy.
6. My intention had been to launch night strikes against the enemy to mitigate the qualitative difference between FAA and enemy equipment. The course and bearing of the enemy force gave the squadron a chance of crossing the ‘T’ and so I instructed the air striking force to be held on deck and so maximise the chance that the precise position of the squadron would not be revealed. They would be released should the enemy change course, on detection of the squadron by enemy air assets, or when the fleets were 50 miles distant
7. At 1450 an enemy carrier based aircraft was identified and shot down by the CAP fighters, and given that I could not be certain it had been prevented from providing course and speed information to the enemy I authorised the strikes to take place immediately. As a result the carrier force, along with HMS SOUTHAMPTON, NEWCASTLE, and HUNTER split from he battle fleet to launch and recover aircraft, and maintain a useful distance from the enemy gun line. The first range, consisting of FAA TSR, dive bomber and fighter, totalling 40 aircraft formed quickly and efficiently.
8. The second range of 50 aircraft was flown off at 1600. throughout he flying operations surface winds remained moderate, with 7/10 cloud cover. During this operation the aircraft of Walsh/Albert was damaged and had to be struck down below for repairs to wing fabric.

Narrative of the First Air Attack

9. The first sriking force formed up in position 4 miles at 265 degrees from HMS VICTORIOUS at a height of 4,500 feet and took departure at 1500
10. At 1530 the first range at a height of 4,500 feet entered the base of cumulus cloud and some aircraft became separated with the result that the striking force did not arrive simultaneously over the target.
10. The force commander continued with 27 aircraft (15 torpedo, 10 fighter and 2 bomber). They sighted enemy ships at 1545 and split into attack formation, with the force commander identifying the primary target for torpedo attack as the battleships, the bombers to strike at the aircraft carrier.
11. Type Naratives
i) Fighter Aircraft
The fighter aircraft encountered light opposition from enemy aircraft, outnumbering those in the air at the point of attack. While the qualitative difference between equipment allowed the enemy pilots to shoot down 3 (Arbuthnot/Bell, Cavil/Lowde and Humpton/Jones) for no enemy shot down, they were prevented from interfering with the torpedo or bomber strike. However, the fighter aircraft were equally unable to provide any useful distraction to enemy anti-aircraft artillery fire.
ii) Torpedo Aircraft
Torpedo aircraft took advantage of the bearing of encountering the enemy fleet to split and attempt a ‘hammer and anvil’ style attack, aiming at the head of the enemy squadron. Ten aircraft led by the force commander attacked from the port side, roughly heading NNE while 5 attacked on a reciprocal bearing SSW. This had the effect of splitting enemy fire and complicating their evasive manoeuvres. Anti aircraft fire was heavy from both capital ships (including some use of the main battery of the leading ships) and the escorting cruisers, and two aircraft from the port attack were shot down (Lansdowne/Joicke and Furner/Smith) with one from the starboard side forced to abort the attack and jettison the torpedo.
Torpedoes were launched at approximately 700 yards range and evasion made by a swift 180 degree turn. Force commander remained to carry out damage assessment, and noted one strike midships on GNEISENAU, one far forward of BISMARCK, both causing some small speed reduction, and one far aft of SEYDLITZ, causing that ship to come to a stop. Force commander then remained to guide the second strike on to target.
iii) Bomber Aircraft
The two aircraft that had remained joined up with the force commander attacked the HERMAN GOERING immediately on acquisition of the target, diving from 8,000 feet to release at 1,500 feet, on a SE to NW bearing. Heavy AA fire was experienced and no bombs hit, although one landed close starboard and may have inflicted some damage. Dennings/Falute reported seeing fouling of the forward deck by a Bf-109. At 1610 the remaining 13 dive bombers appeared over the target, and with no fighter interference were able to strike at HERMAN GOERING, scoring three hits and two near misses, setting fires and significantly slowing the ship.

Narrative of the Second Air Attack

12. The first striking force formed up in position 4 miles at 265 degrees from HMS VICTORIOUS at a height of 4,500 feet and took departure at 1610
13. At 1710 the striking force commenced to climb and commenced the attack
14. Type Narratives
i) Fighter Aircraft
The fighter aircraft faced minimal opposition, the enemy having been unable to fly off any additional fighter aircraft, and those remaining in the air being low on ammunition and fuel following the earlier engagements. As a result the fighter aircraft were able to achieve three victories to no cost to themselves. As with the first range, the fighters were unable to carry out their secondary role of providing a distraction for the strike aircraft.
ii) Torpedo Aircraft
Torpedo aircraft of the second range were again able to form up for a ‘hammer and anvil’ style attack on the enemy battle line, with the force being split equally between port and starboard axes of attack. The port attack was under much heavier AA fire than the starboard thanks to the positioning of the German escort ships, and were forced to drop earlier than would otherwise be wished at 1000 yards, losing three planes (O’Brien/Johnson, Vexhill/Motson and Brazil/Parlour). The starboard aircraft were able to close to 700 yards before launching torpedoes. Evasion was by sharp 180 degree turn. Force commander continued assessment of damage, noting on strike mid-forward of FREIDRICH DER GROSSE, and two on ADMIRAL HIPPER, which was left in a sinking condition.
iii) Bomber Aircraft
The bomber aircraft on reaching 8,000 feet split into two groups to ensure maximum effectiveness. With the primary target slowed and on fire the first section dived to 1,500 feet and released, with four more bomb hits and three near misses wracking the HERMAN GOERING with explosions and leaving the ship with a significant and increasing list to starboard. Given its condition, the second section split and dived on SEYDLITZ and TIRPITZ. SEYDLITZ was struck three times and left on fire and sinking, TIRPITZ hit once causing minor damage to the upper decks.
15. Other than those mentioned above, all planes returned and flew on safely. TSR planes were flown off to replace the force commander and allow continued monitoring of the enemy fleet to bring the battle fleet to action.
 
Battle of the Forties pt 2

Narrative of the Battle Line Attack

16. Regular reports from FAA crews shadowing the German fleet provided a significant advantage as the two battle lines closed. The enemy had thrown out a forward screen of the remaining cruisers PRINZ EUGEN, LUTZOW, and BLUCHER and followed in line astern with TIRPITZ in the van, then BISMARCK, FREIDRICH DER GROSSE and GNEISENAU. Our line was led by HMS LION, followed by HM Ships CONQUEROR, WARSPITE (flag) MALAYA and HOOD. The destroyers of the squadron were positioned so as to be able to provide a torpedo threat to the enemy line, while the cruisers supported HMS SHEFFIELD in attaining contact with her RADAR system
16. SHEFFIELD achieved RADAR contact at 35,000 yards at 1819 and the squadron manoeuvred to close to the enemy fleet. Given he oncoming twilight and darkness it was considered of more importance to close the distance to enable a continuous engagement and prevent the enemy escaping in the night. At 1830 the enemy opened fire and all ships increased speed before opening to A arcs* consistent with continuing to close on the enemy. 17. The CONQUEROR was straddled by the fourth salvo from the enemy, one shell exploding on the after secondary battery, killing four men, putting it out of action and starting a fire. Quick action by the ships crew prevented any chance of the fire spreading to the secondary magazine and it was swiftly put out.
18. WARSPITE was the first of the squadron to identifiably find the range of the enemy and straddled the FREIDRICH DER GROSSE on her fourth salvo. HOOD, being engaged only by the 11in rear turret of GNEISENAU was the second to straddle, immediately causing a noticeable fire on the German Battlecruiser. Within a short period all ships were achieving straddling of their assigned targets and in turn being struck.
19. Damage to our ships structure and fighting power was minimal at this point, but hits caused a number of deaths and injuries to men in exposed stations. Aviation facilities were notably open to damage, with LION, WARSPITE and MALAYA all suffering damage and fire, including the loss of aeroplanes and associated support equipment. Around this time HOOD suffered a near miss which exploded on the water in line with the bridge. Splinters killed four ratings and caused injuries to the Captain Glennie and the Chief Yeoman, but the ship continued to fight without pause.
20. Under the 16 guns of WARSPITE and MALAYA, FREIDRICH DER GROSSE was the first ship to noticeably suffer, in short order having three turrets out of action and noticeably slowed. Continued firing by the two QUEEN ELIZABETH class caused the German ship to turn out of line and come to a stop, at which point WARSPITE transferred he fire to the BISMARCK. With tenacious spirit the after gun turret of FREIDRICH DER GROSSE continued to fire and gained a hit on MALAYAs ‘B’ turret, putting it out of action and causing some casualties, however MALAYA continued to fire with six guns and silenced the german battleship, before altering target to GNEISENAU
21. Shots from TIRPITZ in the German van became increasingly erratic and it became obvious the guns were being fired under local direction. Under the combined fire of CONQUEROR and WARSPITE, the BISMARCKs fire had slackened while GNEISENAU under fire from HOOD and MALAYA had slowed and was dropping behind the two other battleships. At this point the German fleet began to make smoke and turn away, covered by a torpedo attack by the cruisers.
22. While the battle line continued to engage the german capital ships with their main guns, the cruisers SHEFFIELD and GLOUCESTER added their fire to the secondary armament of the battleships against the cruisers, and the destroyers carried out a spoiling torpedo attack. PRINZ EUGEN and BLUCHER were hit multiple times by gunfire and left stopped and on fire, while LUTZOW took a torpedo amidships and was in some difficulty. In return, NUBIAN was hit by a torpedo and began to sink, MOHAWK was hit by a flurry of 6in gunfire, stopped and set on fire and GLOUCESTER was struck by 6 in gunfire which put her Y turret out of action and caused a number of casualties on the bridge.
23. The action by the German cruisers had allowed their battleships to extend the range, and while they remained in range and silhouetted by the setting sun it was obvious that we would soon loose sight. I therefore ordered SHEFFIELD out of immediate danger to ensure that her RADAR would enable us to close in the night, and ordered the squadron to close distance and continue the action. Additionally I ordered the GLOUCESTER and destroyers to engage the damaged German ships and for the aircraft carriers to prepare a night strike
24. As the squadron turned to chase, MALAYA began to reduce speed and signalled that she had suffered a significant failure to one of the turbines. When later investigated this was found to be the result of the speed at which she was prepared for sea following refit, combined with the stress of battle to cause a major failure. While this reduced the strength of the battle line, MALAYA was able to cover GLOUCESTER and the destroyers in dealing with the damaged German ships. All three cruisers were thus attacked by the heavy gunfire of the battleship and struck their colours before being sunk, and FREIDRICH DER GROSSE was sunk by torpedo. This occurred while LION, CONQUEROR, WARSPITE and HOOD continued the chase of BISMARCK TIRPITZ and GNEISENAU
25. The squadron began to overtake GNEISENAU and concentrated fire to put her out of action. The combined power of the four ships overwhelmed the German ship in short order and at 1933 GNEISENAU blew up and sank. Following this all ships increased speed to the highest possible, accepting that WARSPITE would fall behind to attempt to bring the enemy back into action.
26. As the sun set at 1948, the German ships were lost from view, although SHEFFIELD remained in contact by RADAR. The squadron continued to close slowly and at 0127 was able to illuminate the remaining German ships by starshell and commence firing. BISMARCK turned to accept battel while TIRPITZ continued and increased speed while commencing firing with the rear turrets. LION fired upon TIRPITZ, accepting fire from BISMARCK in an attempt to prevent the escape of this ship, but while some hits were noted and TIRPITZ silenced, the enemy ship did not slow and was able to affect an escape into the darkness.
27. Under fire from HOOD, CONQUEROR, and eventually LION, the BISMARCK gave a good account and it was only after a lengthy cannonade that she was silenced, turned over and sank. SHEFFIELD having suffered a defect to the RADAR (later found to be overheating due to lengthy use), the final German ship made its escape, and despite strong aerial patrols was not reacquired.

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28. For the loss of two destroyers (HMS MOHAWK and HMS NUBIAN), 8 aircraft and damage to GLOUCESTER and all battleships, the squadron sunk burned or destroyed the German ships BISMARCK, FREIDRICH DER GROSSE, GNEISENAU, HERMAN GOERING, LUTZOW, PRINZ EUGEN, BLUCHER, ADMIRAL HIPPER and SEYDLITZ, and seriously damage the TIRPITZ.
29. This is the destruction of sixty percent of the battle line, the enemies only aircraft carrier in service and half of the cruiser force. Of the remaining battleships, TIRPITZ was silenced and will require time in dock.

Remarks of the Vice Admiral Commanding 5th Battle Squadron

30. I have the greatest pleasure in informing your Lordships of the very high standards of efficiency and courage that was displayed by all officers and men in this action. In accordance with Admiralty message 1755 / 25th May I am submitting separately a list of officers and men who I consider worthy of award. I would remark, however, that the standards of behaviour have been so high across the squadron that compilation of this list has been very difficult.
31. RADAR is of the most obvious efficacy in the finding and fixing of the enemy and it should be installed on all ships practicable. Its use for gun laying would be the next step to consider.
32. The fighter aircraft carried by the squadrons aircraft carriers were not, despite their recent entry into service, of sufficient quality to match the enemy. We were in this case able to succeed through numbers alone, but that is a costly and morale sapping method to achieve success. The Fleet Air Arm carried out their task with zeal and courage and with improved tools will be able to carry out significantly more operations
33. Bridge splinter protection on HM Ships, while of some efficacy, would benefit from strengthening.
34. LION and CONQUEROR both suffered a number of issues as would be expected in new ships shortly out of commissioning. Chiefly, this served to reduce their rate of fire, and I would commend to your Lordships the report of Captain W Davies RN HMS LION who has compiled the issues found.
34. Submit that following review of the situation in Norway and the disposition of enemy battleships alongside, OPERATION LONGBOW is attempted to complete the destruction of enemy fleet.
34. I have appended the squadrons casualty list.

Sgd.
AB Cunningham
V. Admiral
 
Admiralty, Whitehall, 10 October 1939

The KING has been graciously pleased to give orders for the following Appointments to the Distinguished Service Order

To be a Companion of the Distinguished Service Order

Captain Philip Louis Vian, Royal Navy, HMS Bedouin;

For outstanding ability, determination and resource in the preliminary dispositions which led to the destruction of 10 German destroyers off of Narvik and for daring, leadership and masterly handling of his squadron in narrow waters to use the natural environment of that area to affect surprise upon he enemy and so destroy in detail a force superior in numbers without recourse to the heavier units off shore. Such conduct is of the highest traditions of the Service.

The damned English came out of a fog at a crazy speed, let off torpedoes and gun fire and fell back with most of our ships burning – including our tanker and he commodore. We’d been focussed on the shore, supporting the troops we’d landed and knowing we had a picket on patrol – the useless idiots had missed five English ships passing them, and only learnt about it when they were sank on the way out. What sort of idea was it to try and match these crazy people on the sea?

Matsongefreiter Hans Lugen, PoW, taped conversation Dec 1939. Released 2006

In accordance with your orders of 14 Aug 39 my force (Schnarhorst, Leipzigfour minesweepers and 2000 troops) fell on Oslo by surprise on 10 Sept 39. The royal family, parliament and national treasury are in our hands following stiff resistance by the troops in the city itself, with they and the forts surrounding the city having obviously been on some alert. This has resulted in heavy casualties amongst this force and the airborne landing group which attacked Fornebu, and in significant damage to Schnarhorst, which took a number of artillery and torpedo hits from the Oscarsborg fort before it surrendered. Leipzig has also suffered damage from a single artillery strike, causing a fire. The naval officers have informed me that repairs of several weeks are likely to be required to the battleship before it can return to Kiel for a more thorough refit.

With the capture of the leadership of the country, a capitulation is being organised. We can expect some resistance to continue, but this will be disorganised and easily mopped up.
Gen. N Von Falkenhorst, XXI Armeekorps

Herr Admiral

My patrol off Narvik was a total success ruined by the performance of the torpedoes supplied to my U-boat. U-23 was in position to attack the main body of the Royal Navy force, which would have brought their destroyer screen back from attacking into the fjords and so protected the Kriegsmarine units and the army. However, despite attaining a perfect firing position and launching all bow and stern torpedoes at the English ships (HMS Repulse and HMS Ark Royal were targeted), and expecting several hits there were no explosions, no fire and no sunk ships. The ability of the English to occupy Narvik is a direct result of the poor quality of the torpedoes supplied.

Kaulen. Otto Kretschmer

Soldiers of Norway!
You have seen the leaflets dropped by the German airforce, calling on us to surrender. You have seen it states that the King and his family and the government have surrendered. The boot of the stormtrooper is at their necks, the gun of the stormtrooper at their head. But here, in the north, we have the guns. With the aid of our allies and friends from across the sea we have pushed the German to rout and ruin. We will do it again. We will free Norway, one step at a time. We shall see if the stormtrooper can shoot straight.
Long Live the King!
Carl Gustav Fleischer.
Major General
 
So, I think this TL is petty much played out. As I said at the start, it was a reaction to the Sealion threads where the ‘way to victory’ was to increase the Kriegsmarine surface fleet – I wanted to have a look at what would happen if his was tried, and I think this has shown that diplomatically and militarily it wasn’t a good idea.

From this point on in this TL, I think the following will happen:
A Taranto style attack on the remaining KM capital ships – in the North Sea the RN has six carriers, and they will want to reduce the threat significantly. With Tirpitz and Schnarhorst in drydock for damage repairs, Moltke and Graf Zeppelin in build such a raid is likely to cause significant damage – I would expect TCL to most of these ships. Such a result is unlikely to please Hitler and there is unlikely to be much more spending on the KM

A lack of decent u boats (doctrine!) will make GBs SLOCs much more secure, enabling fewer resources to be spent on merchant shipping and escorts.

Some form of invasion of France will be attempted, probably in 1940 – but with fewer tanks, less artillery and fewer planes this will likely stall, with the armoured columns unable to make the same headway and the artillery light infantry stymied at defended points. Also, the Allied plan probably does not include going to the Dyle (this was a late change, as I understand it) preventing the mobile forces being pocketed. A stalemate in France, along with a stalemate in Norway, with only Czechoslovakia and Denmark conquered gives a whole new light to the ability of the Wehrmacht, and I would expect a coup from the group centred around Hans Oster / Wilhelm Canaris, although this may wait for an allied counter attack to reach german soil. I would expect any new government to search for peace at SQAB, although the allies are likely to seek more, maybe a return to Versailles. Germany should not suffer dismemberment as it did in OTL, and certainly the East – where no offensive move had been carried out due to the increased tension with the West exploding over Czechoslovakia – E Prussia is unlikely to be altered. I think (hope?) that the Nazi party is likely to be crushed, but the endemic bigotry of the regime will not be punished as severely – or understood as much

This does, however, depend upon what the Russians do – the Baltic states may fall while th west is distracted, Finland is likely also invaded in late 39 – but the reaction to a traditionally anti-communist Britain, especially where there is no need of the Soviets as allies against a failing German assault is unlikely to be positive. A war between the USSR and the western allies is possible depending upon timing, but I think unlikely unless Stalin seeks to extend into Poland.

Japan is still going to be resource starved as it seeks to expand into China – but the Western Allies are not distracted by war in Europe, and have strong, battle proven fleets ready to come East. This may change the calculation of the Japanese that a short, successful war is possible by striking across the pacific, but I don’t see what they can do other than retreat from China, and that seems highly unlikely. Possibly the PH strike will be an attempt to shock the US out of a fight, then a longer fight against the RN and MN can be prosecuted (counting on a similar misreading of the US character after a devastating surprise attack as IOTL). A Pacific war, starting around Dec 41 (based on the same drivers, the attack is likely to be at a similar time) but with an available RN battle fleet of 4 to 6 large, armoured deck fleet carriers to support the US I don’t think Japan is going to have a happy time of it. I think that many of thei leadership will know that, but feel backed into a corner and do it anyway.

After that? A richer more confident Britain, and France possibly leading to a harder decolonisation process. A much slower A-bomb development, with the mix of the two leading perhaps to war between USSR and the western allies (maybe not including the US) as proxy / colonial wars of independence spread without the threat of MAD to keep them in check. However, all this is butterflies…

For me, the interesting thing was how limited the potential actions and reactions were – eve an obvious dagger pointed at the UK can’t advance the war too much due to wider fears over bombing and the relative protection of the UK, and it certainly can’t alter the French desire to protect their country from a second casualty list of the scope of WW1. German strategic options are also pretty limited if they want to scrap with Britain.

Thanks to everyone who has read and commented, I really appreciate your thoughts, even if I disagreed with them
 
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