WI: No Inca Empire
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jocay
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In lieu of an absent Inca empire, you would have Chimor become the dominant power in Peru but it likely wouldn't be projecting power as far north or south as the Inca. Quechua is going to remain a language spoken in the southern Andes, no more than that. Further north you have the mountain regions dominated by the Canari and Quitus whose construction rivalled that of the Incas IOTL. The coast would be dominated by the Manteño-Guancavilca who were organized into a loose confederation of city-states, very similar to the Hanseatic League. Spanish conquest might be more prolonged, similar to what happened to the Yucatan.
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Another factor slowing down or limiting the Spanish conquest, would be the lack of an Inca imperial road system in the difficult geography of the Andes.
It's likely that multiple native states will try to adopt arquebuses and horses for their forces, like the Neo-Inca state that was formed by Manco Inca.
It's likely that multiple native states will try to adopt arquebuses and horses for their forces, like the Neo-Inca state that was formed by Manco Inca.
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lets say pachacutec dies in his battle with the chankas , killing pachacutec doesnt automatacly break inca conquest as the kingdom of cusco was already expanding at a slower rate. even so the kingdom would survive the chakas .
the intresting side effects is that the aymara culture can expand a little more , the chimu would still be a strong kingdom with out the inca conquest.
the spanish would take the norther coast relitive quick as the chimu kingdom would collpase but they now would have to conquer individual tribes , chiefdoms and kingdoms, this could take so long that other eruopean powers could arrive.
even with out the inca empire the kingdom of cuzco was way superior to its nieghbors , i can see a iriquo confederecy tipe of inca state
lets say pachacutec dies in his battle with the chankas , killing pachacutec doesnt automatacly break inca conquest as the kingdom of cusco was already expanding at a slower rate. even so the kingdom would survive the chakas .
the intresting side effects is that the aymara culture can expand a little more , the chimu would still be a strong kingdom with out the inca conquest.
the spanish would take the norther coast relitive quick as the chimu kingdom would collpase but they now would have to conquer individual tribes , chiefdoms and kingdoms, this could take so long that other eruopean powers could arrive.
even with out the inca empire the kingdom of cuzco was way superior to its nieghbors , i can see a iriquo confederecy tipe of inca state
I did some quick research. Though Pizarro and his band took Cuzco and decapitated the Inca leadership ridiculously quickly, there was a number of rebellions afterwards and so the Spanish conquest of Peru is usually regarded as having taken until 1572, when the Tupac Amaru rebellion was crushed, to complete.
The contrast is with Mexico, where while the Aztecs get the attention, they hadn't taken all of Meso-America and there were other native american states. And here we see the Spanish fighting in a major war in 1560-90, and the last Mayans were defeated and brought under Spanish rule sometime in the seventeenth century.
This is one of those things that would have made a big difference in the century the POD had occurred, with butterflies due to people dying at different times and marrying different spouses than OTL. The Spanish conquest of Peru follows the Mexican pattern, with them quickly seizing the main native state, which is historically regarded as THE conquest, but then gradually fighting and conquering the other states, instead of taking everything over at once and then fighting off a series of rebellions (including by some of the conquistadors). But the end result is the same.
The contrast is with Mexico, where while the Aztecs get the attention, they hadn't taken all of Meso-America and there were other native american states. And here we see the Spanish fighting in a major war in 1560-90, and the last Mayans were defeated and brought under Spanish rule sometime in the seventeenth century.
This is one of those things that would have made a big difference in the century the POD had occurred, with butterflies due to people dying at different times and marrying different spouses than OTL. The Spanish conquest of Peru follows the Mexican pattern, with them quickly seizing the main native state, which is historically regarded as THE conquest, but then gradually fighting and conquering the other states, instead of taking everything over at once and then fighting off a series of rebellions (including by some of the conquistadors). But the end result is the same.
I smell of both Panoan and Puquina wanks in central Peru and Cuzco-Arequipa-Titicaca region respectively.
Thinking this question made me wonder, why did the Inca Empire expand so quickly? Was it something which rose "naturally" due to societal and technological changes during the period and might have happened anyway led by some other polity or was it more a coincidence of having certain types of leaders in a particular political situation?