What if Jerusalem had assented to the 1538 Sanhedrin.

Mr. Zalman would do better to worry about the ideas of Germans like Friedlander as opposed to the far-away French.

An overt Tsarist backing for chasids against the more orthodox mitnagdim would be interesting. I could see the chiefs of the rabbinic dynasties melding into the state structure akin to the leaders of other Russian subject-peoples
He would but the Germans have remained more subtle The French are more visible. IOTL it was Friedlander inspired Russian Jews that put enough pressure on Volozhin to close it. The places Friedlander is publishing and talking arent frequented by Mr. Zalman so he doesnt know they exist. Napoleon outright inviting him to Paris is harder to be ignorant of.
 
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Mr. Zalman would do better to worry about the ideas of Germans like Friedlander as opposed to the far-away French.

An overt Tsarist backing for chasids against the more orthodox mitnagdim would be interesting. I could see the chiefs of the rabbinic dynasties melding into the state structure akin to the leaders of other Russian subject-peoples
That could get... complicated. The late 18th/early 19th centuries were a formative period in Russia's attitude toward Jews - the empire had only recently acquired a substantial Jewish community (it had few Jews before the partitions of Poland) and was deciding what the hell to do with them. Those decisions were influenced, on the one hand, by deep-seated antisemitism, driven by a church that took the decide accusation and its consequences very seriously, but on the other hand, by the view that Jews could be useful in the right places. Thus, the original Pale of Settlement, while restricting Jews to certain territories, actually expanded the geography of the Russian Jewish population by including the Black Sea and Caspian frontier territories where Jews hadn't previously lived. The Jews might be a bunch of Christ-killers, but the empire could use their skills in the provinces it wanted to colonize.

IOTL, a good deal of this got taken away later as antisemitism won out over utility - the Pale became smaller and more restrictive, and Jews were expelled from Astrakhan and much of the north Caucasus. ITTL, a different balance may be possible. To be sure, Hasidic patriotism during the Napoleonic Wars IOTL didn't make much of a difference once Nicholas I took the throne, but ITTL, with the Hasidim seeing Napoleonic heresy as more blatant and threatening, they'll be more so - possibly to the point of reviving the Israelite Regiment of the Potemkin era. If the Hasidim make a place for themselves in the Russian army, not as the quasi-Janissary cantonists that formed part of the Russian assimilation program from the 1820s-1850s but as patriotic Jewish Russians, then maybe the Tsar's ministers will view their community leaders more like Muslim or Siberian subject chiefs.

OTOH, there are limits. The Muslims, Buddhists and Siberian pagans didn't kill Christ, and there's always going to be that issue separating imperial treatment of Jews from, say, Chechens or Buryats. 19th-century Russia is still going to blow hot and cold - maybe the warm winds will blow more often, maybe there will be privileges for communities that send enough of their sons to the army, maybe the mitnagdim will feel the wrath more than the Hasidim during the cold periods, but there will be cold periods even for the Hasidic Jews.

Given where the Napoleonic Sanhedrin and the reaction to it are likely to go, you can probably guess some of the countries where the Jewish situation in 1815-30 will be better than OTL and some of those where it will be worse. I'm still not sure about Russia, and the answer could end up being a bit of both.
He would but the Germans have remained more subtle The French are more visible. IOTL it was Friedlander inspired Russian Jews that put enough pressure on Volozhin to close it. The places Friedlander is publishing and talking arent frequented by Mr. Zalman so he doesnt know they exist. Napoleon outright inviting him to Paris is harder to be ignorant of.
Speaking of Volozhin, what do you think is happening with methods of learning? IOTL, the 19th century gave us the Brisker method, but I don't think it will appeal to either the Yishuv or the Western European Jews ITTL. It's too theoretical for the Galilee Sanhedrin, which has to deliver practical jurisprudence on a daily basis, and too divorced from the Enlightenment for Napoleon to easily tolerate. The Sanhedrin would want to preserve its ability to rely on as wide a range of sources as possible (including scientific knowledge - its argument with the Acre academy concerns how science should be used, not whether it could be used) and I'd imagine it would emphasize nafka minah in its training of students who are likely to become administrators or judges. And while the Napoleonic Sanhedrin didn't get that far into the weeds IOTL, Napoleon's experiences ITTL have made him more concerned with jurisprudence and the interpretive process - I wonder if any of the questions he puts to his Sanhedrin might address interpretive issues, and whether he'd push for a "national" form of exegesis where Talmudic clauses are interpreted in light of the culture and custom of the country where they are being applied. A Bonapartist yeshiva could be an interesting mess.
 
If the Hasidim make a place for themselves in the Russian army, not as the quasi-Janissary cantonists that formed part of the Russian assimilation program from the 1820s-1850s but as patriotic Jewish Russians, then maybe the Tsar's ministers will view their community leaders more like Muslim or Siberian subject chiefs.

OTOH, there are limits. The Muslims, Buddhists and Siberian pagans didn't kill Christ, and there's always going to be that issue separating imperial treatment of Jews from, say, Chechens or Buryats. 19th-century Russia is still going to blow hot and cold - maybe the warm winds will blow more often, maybe there will be privileges for communities that send enough of their sons to the army, maybe the mitnagdim will feel the wrath more than the Hasidim during the cold periods, but there will be cold periods even for the Hasidic Je
Or....perhaps these pendulous changes in the attitude of Russian establishment for/against their Jews, combined with TTL Eretz Israel realities, end up leading to , firstly, the early development of some sort of Russo-Israelite martial tradition.....and finaly the demise and forced dissolution of a well established Israilovsky Regiment, with most of their soldiers making Aliyah and being hired by Banu Zaydan as the elite unit of a modern army.

Well.....who knows?
 
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OPENING CURTAIN
FEBRUARY 1805

The Ashkenazi synagogue in the Marais was rarely as full as today, even at the New Year. And as far as David Sinzheim could remember – as far as anyone else could remember too, if the murmurings from the front pews were anything to go by – it had never been this full of non-Jews. Nearly every seat that wasn’t occupied by the members of the incoming Grand Sanhedrin was taken by people who’d obviously never been in a synagogue before and who’d watched wide-eyed throughout the proceedings.

Whatever the Sanhedrin might or might not accomplish, it had at least aroused the Parisians’ curiosity. Sinzheim wondered what the society women in the upstairs gallery had found to talk about with the Sanhedrin delegates’ wives; he made a mental note to ask his own wife tonight, after the day’s work was done and he could return to his hotel.

They listened, though. They did listen. The onlookers may have been wide-eyed, and they likely understood little or none of the Hebrew prayers, but they’d kept a respectful silence as Sinzheim led the morning service. He’d varied the ritual slightly, reading from a siddur written for the occasion and adding prayers for the work of the Sanhedrin, the welfare of the French state, and the health of the Emperor. The onlookers hadn’t recognized the prayer for France – “Tzarfat” was a word unfamiliar to them – but “Keysar Napoleon” was something they could figure out easily enough, and it had drawn their evident approval.

And now, the service over, the crowd parted to let Sinzheim lead the Grand Sanhedrin out to the street.

A crowd had gathered there too – a more plebeian one than those that had attended the synagogue, but one that was far larger and in the mood for a parade. It had rained the previous night, and even on the street that had once borne the name of Louis XV and was now called Rivoli, the mudbanks and puddles were hard to avoid, but Sinzheim determined to make the best show of it he could.

His best – and the Interior Minister’s best – were, it seemed, good enough. Jews were nothing new to the spectators that lined the street, but a solemn assembly of them in long black coats and caps, led by an honor guard of soldiers, was something else entirely. The procession was greeted with waves and even cheers – ironic cheers, some of them, but cheers all the same.

Sinzheim wondered if the onlookers knew that every one of the soldiers, and the lieutenant who led them, were also Jewish. Most likely, they didn’t. The honor guard was a pointed example, but Sinzheim suspected that the point was intended more for the Sanhedrin itself than the public.

But the example, such as it was, lasted only minutes; it was just half a mile to the Hôtel de Ville where rooms had been set aside for the Sanhedrin’s deliberation, and the procession covered the distance quickly even in the chill and mud. There were more soldiers at the entrance, accompanied by the commissioners who had represented the Interior Ministry since the idea of a Sanhedrin was conceived, and they led the delegates into a large council chamber to the side of the main hall.

It looked like all the parliaments and municipal councils Sinzheim had seen in sixty years of life – a dais where Sinzheim, who the Interior Minister had appointed as Nasi, would sit with his deputies; desks for the commissioners and the recording secretary; benches for the delegates; a gallery occupying three of the four walls. And that gallery, like the synagogue and the street, was filled with spectators.

Sinzheim walked quickly to the dais and waited for Vita and Segrè, the Avot Bet Din, to take their seats beside him and for the other delegates to fill the benches. He would be expected to make a speech to open the Sanhedrin, and of a sudden, he wondered, who am I addressing? Should he speak to the delegates or the public; should he speak Hebrew or French?

The goal of this Sanhedrin is to reconcile the duties of a Jew with those of a citizen, is it not? And have not the Jewish men of letters begun to make their arguments to all their fellow men? In this public place, I should speak to the public.

“Mesdames et messieurs,” he said, “I greet you on this opening day of the Grand Sanhedrin, this fourteenth day of the month of Adar. In our tradition, the fourteenth of Adar is the holiday of Purim, the remembrance of the time we were saved from Haman by the grace of Queen Esther. But though today is the fourteenth of Adar, today is not Purim.

Our calendar is based on the moon, and as the astronomers know, the moon and the sun do not dance as partners. To make the lunar and solar years coincide, it is necessary seven times every nineteen years to add an extra month to our calendar, and that month is always another month of Adar. It is now Adar Rishon – the first Adar. We will celebrate Purim when the second Adar comes, a month from now.

But nevertheless, today is not an ordinary day. We call this day Purim Katan – the small Purim. And though Purim Katan is not a holiday itself, it is a day to remember the greater Purim – a mirror of that Purim. On this day, we reflect on joy and salvation, we remember the role of the Creator in the world, and we think ahead to the greater day that lies ahead.

Today, then, we open the Grand Sanhedrin, but we think ahead to the day that is to come when its work is done. We remember that the Jews have been liberated from a dark age of persecution and made into citizens, not least by the grace of our Emperor Napoleon. And we look forward to the time – maybe a month from now, but maybe more and maybe less, because the deliberations of a court do not follow any sacred calendar – when the rights and duties of the Jews in this age are decided and made known to all.”

The applause from the gallery was thunderous, the Interior Ministry commissioners nodded in approval, and Furtado, who had already come to lead the Bonapartist faction among the delegates, bore a look of satisfaction. But at the same time, Sinzheim remembered that as this was not the only Purim, the Grand Sanhedrin was not the only Sanhedrin, and that the other one would no doubt have its own opinion of these deliberations. And he also remembered that Purim Katan had more than one meaning – that there were also small Purims peculiar to cities and towns, at least one of them in France, where Jews had been delivered from danger.

Those dangers, inevitably, had come from one civil authority, and the delivery most often from another, and those dangers had also tested the relationship between the Jewish people and the Name. Here and now, there was only one authority, and if the Grand Sanhedrin’s decisions did not please him, there would be no other power to whom the Jews could appeal. And Sinzheim had seen the questions that the Emperor had given the Sanhedrin to answer. Finding answers that pleased both the Name and the Emperor would not be easy.

There are Jewish holidays that remember catastrophes too. Let this not be one.
 
Source document: Questions presented by Emperor Napoleon to the Grand Sanhedrin in Paris, 13 February 1805

1. Is this assembly in truth a Great Sanhedrin, with the standing and authority of that ancient body and with the power to determine what is lawful and unlawful for the Jews of France and Europe?​
2. How, and by whom, are rabbis nominated?​
3. What police and judicial power have rabbis over the Jews, and what method exists to discipline the rabbis themselves?​
4. Do rabbis have civic as well as religious responsibilities?​
5. Bearing in mind the civic and religious position of rabbis, what education is appropriate to a candidate for the rabbinate?​
6. Are the methods of choosing rabbis, and the powers thereof, established by Jewish law or are they simply ordained by custom?​
7. Do Jews regard Frenchmen as brethren or strangers?​
8. In any case, what duties does their law prescribe to Jews towards Frenchmen who are not of the Jewish religion?​
9. Do Jews who were born in France, and who have the legal status of French citizens, regard France as their fatherland? Is it their duty to defend it, to obey its laws, and to accommodate themselves to all the provisions of the Civil Code?​
10. Are Jews a distinct nation or are they citizens of the nation where they live?​
11. Are the Jews of France subject to the legal or judicial authority of any tribunal which sits outside France?​
12. May a Jew have more than one wife?​
13. May a Jewish woman marry a Christian man or a Jewish man a Christian woman, or may Jews marry only among themselves?​
14. Are there any occupations prohibited by Jewish law?​
15. Are there any occupations particularly favored by Jewish law or custom?​
16. Does Jewish law present any obstacles to service in the military forces of France?​
17. Does the law forbid Jews to practice usury in dealing with other Jews?​
18. Does Jewish law forbid or allow Jews to practice usury in dealing with strangers?​

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Source document: Questions presented by Emperor Napoleon to the Grand Sanhedrin in Paris, 13 February 1805

1. Is this assembly in truth a Great Sanhedrin, with the standing and authority of that ancient body and with the power to determine what is lawful and unlawful for the Jews of France and Europe?​
2. How, and by whom, are rabbis nominated?​
3. What police and judicial power have rabbis over the Jews, and what method exists to discipline the rabbis themselves?​
4. Do rabbis have civic as well as religious responsibilities?​
5. Bearing in mind the civic and religious position of rabbis, what education is appropriate to a candidate for the rabbinate?​
6. Are the methods of choosing rabbis, and the powers thereof, established by Jewish law or are they simply ordained by custom?​
7. Do Jews regard Frenchmen as brethren or strangers?​
8. In any case, what duties does their law prescribe to Jews towards Frenchmen who are not of the Jewish religion?​
9. Do Jews who were born in France, and who have the legal status of French citizens, regard France as their fatherland? Is it their duty to defend it, to obey its laws, and to accommodate themselves to all the provisions of the Civil Code?​
10. Are Jews a distinct nation or are they citizens of the nation where they live?​
11. Are the Jews of France subject to the legal or judicial authority of any tribunal which sits outside France?​
12. May a Jew have more than one wife?​
13. May a Jewish woman marry a Christian man or a Jewish man a Christian woman, or may Jews marry only among themselves?​
14. Are there any occupations prohibited by Jewish law?​
15. Are there any occupations particularly favored by Jewish law or custom?​
16. Does Jewish law present any obstacles to service in the military forces of France?​
17. Does the law forbid Jews to practice usury in dealing with other Jews?​
18. Does Jewish law forbid or allow Jews to practice usury in dealing with strangers?​

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Pretty similar except the authority questions
 
Pretty similar except the authority questions
It's similar because Napoleon still has many of the same concerns and fixations - he wants French Jews out of banking and in the army, he wants to encourage intermarriage (this shows up in several of his OTL letters, in which he suggests that the ideal ratio of interfaith marriages should be at least one in three), and he wants them to acknowledge the supremacy of French law. But there are differences - after his experiences in Jerusalem and Acre, he intends to supervise the training of rabbis more closely (hence the rabbinical education question), and the existence of the Galilee Yishuv and the Palestine Sanhedrin is leading him to address the idea of Jewish peoplehood head-on rather than obliquely as he did IOTL. This isn't necessarily an impossible needle for the Paris Sanhedrin to thread, but it will be a hard one, especially since the debates will be less controlled than OTL and dissents more likely to be noted. It's possible for the Sanhedrin to succeed and even do so in a way that advances Napoleon's political aims, but in a way that doesn't entirely please him.
 
Source document: Questions presented by Emperor Napoleon to the Grand Sanhedrin in Paris, 13 February 1805

1. Is this assembly in truth a Great Sanhedrin, with the standing and authority of that ancient body and with the power to determine what is lawful and unlawful for the Jews of France and Europe?​
2. How, and by whom, are rabbis nominated?​
3. What police and judicial power have rabbis over the Jews, and what method exists to discipline the rabbis themselves?​
4. Do rabbis have civic as well as religious responsibilities?​
5. Bearing in mind the civic and religious position of rabbis, what education is appropriate to a candidate for the rabbinate?​
6. Are the methods of choosing rabbis, and the powers thereof, established by Jewish law or are they simply ordained by custom?​
7. Do Jews regard Frenchmen as brethren or strangers?​
8. In any case, what duties does their law prescribe to Jews towards Frenchmen who are not of the Jewish religion?​
9. Do Jews who were born in France, and who have the legal status of French citizens, regard France as their fatherland? Is it their duty to defend it, to obey its laws, and to accommodate themselves to all the provisions of the Civil Code?​
10. Are Jews a distinct nation or are they citizens of the nation where they live?​
11. Are the Jews of France subject to the legal or judicial authority of any tribunal which sits outside France?​
12. May a Jew have more than one wife?​
13. May a Jewish woman marry a Christian man or a Jewish man a Christian woman, or may Jews marry only among themselves?​
14. Are there any occupations prohibited by Jewish law?​
15. Are there any occupations particularly favored by Jewish law or custom?​
16. Does Jewish law present any obstacles to service in the military forces of France?​
17. Does the law forbid Jews to practice usury in dealing with other Jews?​
18. Does Jewish law forbid or allow Jews to practice usury in dealing with strangers?​

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10, with the addition of OTL's 9, are massively important, as they concisely ask THE major question Jews struggled with in the modern era. Assuming that the Napoleonic Sanhedrin becomes the main "not a nation" faction (either overtly or tacitly), their enemies - both the Yishuv, which arguably already is a Jewish National Home OTL - but also Napoleon's European foes - may adopt the opposite stance. Jewish emancipation IOTL may be a question of assimilationism vs. autonomism.
 
10, with the addition of OTL's 9, are massively important, as they concisely ask THE major question Jews struggled with in the modern era. Assuming that the Napoleonic Sanhedrin becomes the main "not a nation" faction (either overtly or tacitly), their enemies - both the Yishuv, which arguably already is a Jewish National Home OTL - but also Napoleon's European foes - may adopt the opposite stance. Jewish emancipation IOTL may be a question of assimilationism vs. autonomism.
The Yishuv won't necessarily be an enemy of the Napoleonic Sanhedrin - obviously, they won't recognize it as an actual Sanhedrin and they'll disagree with many of its rulings, but as we'll see in the update after next, there's room for nuance in the relationship.

You're right, though, that the existence of the Galilee Yishuv will force diaspora Jews to confront the nationality question sooner than IOTL, and that in many places they will in fact be faced with a binary choice between assimilationism and autonomism, with less room for a "Bundist" middle ground. As you also say, there might be more room for that in the countries that resist Napoleonic influence, but it could come with tradeoffs. If you've read Salo Baron's "Ghetto and Emancipation," you'll have some idea of how the choice might be presented in (for instance) Russia or some of the German states - Baron was reactionary as hell and there's a lot to argue with in his thesis (especially when it comes to his opinion on whether the tradeoffs for emancipation were worth it), but 1815-30 was a deeply reactionary era, and the governments of that era might well see that question similarly to how he did.
 
Wrong time period but would the Jerusalemites ever etrog a visiting Nasi or Av Bet Din or Nagid?
I don't think I've ever seen "etrog" used as a verb before - I assume you're talking about this and the similar incident recorded in Sukkah 48b? It would be an interesting custom to revive, although it... didn't always work out well for the people who tried it in antiquity.
 
FIRST ACT FEBRUARY 1805
FIRST ACT
FEBRUARY 1805

“So are we a Sanhedrin?” asked David Sinzheim.

The others in the room laughed. All of them knew Sinzheim and knew each other – Sinzheim wouldn’t have dared let any unknown quantities onto this committee – and they were comfortable together. Under the laughter, though, was the recognition that the question was deadly serious.

“The question is whether we are a Great Sanhedrin,” corrected Abraham Vita. “And since there is already one in Palestine, the question is whether there can be more than one.”

“There has never been more than one,” said Joshua Segrè – like the others in the room, from an old rabbinic family. “But Rabbi Jehoshua ben Levi said that Sanhedrins are to be established both in Palestine and other places out of Palestine…”

Small Sanhedrins,” interrupted Sinzheim, but let Segrè continue to speak – Segrè knew as well as he did what Rabbi Jehoshua had been talking about, and Sinzheim realized that he was building an argument, not yet making one.

“And as Furtado said when we met with the Emperor, the Sanhedrin even in the Holy Land has changed over time,” Segrè continued. “The Rambam says that the Great Sanhedrin is to meet at the Beit ha-Mikdash, but there hasn’t been one of those since the time of Vespasian. And all the sources in the Mishnah and Gemara put the number of judges in the Great Sanhedrin as seventy-one, yet there are more than that now in Tzfat alone…”

Heads nodded around the table; everyone knew that the Sanhedrin of Palestine had exceeded the ancient number from the very beginning. The Rambam had decreed that a Great Sanhedrin could only exist by unanimous consent of the rabbis in the Land of Israel, and leaving any rabbi out would risk the withdrawal of that consent. It was a point of controversy even now, and the Sanhedrin was careful to assign only seventy-one judges to any given case, but they’d never confronted the issue head-on for fear of what would happen if they did, and since the affair of the Maharitz forty years past, the supernumerary judges had been enshrined in law.

“Rabbi Johanan said that judges of the Sanhedrin must know seventy languages,” added Vita. “I doubt any of the hahamim in Palestine can boast that…”

“That just means judges must be widely educated,” said Sinzheim. “Even the Rambam omits that when he lists the things that members of the Sanhedrin must know.”

“Certainly,” said Segrè. “But it also means that the laws regarding the Sanhedrin aren’t to be taken too literally.”

“There are laws and laws, though. And some are to be taken more literally than others – laws that are foundational rather than aspirational.”

“But is there a law that there can only be one Great Sanhedrin?” asked Segrè. “It has always been assumed that there would only be one. There are laws that imply there will be only one. And the Rambam said that there is no obligation to set up courts in every region outside the Holy Land. But is there any law decreeing that there can only be one?”

“Are we to be Hillel or Shammai, in other words,” said Vita. “Are we to say that everything not forbidden is permitted, or that everything not permitted is forbidden?”

“That, too, is a balance that is struck different ways at different times,” Sinzheim replied. “We must consider what weighs on each side of that balance. Maybe we should do as the Sanhedrin of Palestine does and consider the nafka minah, the practicalities, and when I consider that, I keep coming back to Hillel – the other Hillel, the one who was Nasi in the time of the amoraim – and the calendar.”

Again, the others in the room needed no explanation. The second Hillel had presided over the Sanhedrin at a time when Jewish life in the Holy Land was declining and the very existence of the Great Sanhedrin was in danger, and he had ruled that the calendar should follow a mathematical formula valid throughout the world rather than being determined anew each year by the Sanhedrin’s observations. There was no law for this before his time, but there was a necessity.

“Nor was that the only instance,” Segrè said. “Only those who have received semikhah in the Holy Land are supposed to be judges – the rabbanim and the Rambam said this – but we have always appointed judges in our communities even when no one in the Holy Land could confer such authority. And judges in the diaspora aren’t supposed to decide cases of robbery or rape or personal injury, but they always have, because who would do so if they didn’t?”

“Then the question,” said Sinzheim, “is whether there can be a Great Sanhedrin in the diaspora if we need there to be one?”

“You could put it that way, yes.”

“Then do we need there to be one?”

“In my city,” Vita answered, “there were ghetto walls eight years ago. I am a citizen now because of Bonaparte. The Jews of many other cities are citizens because of Bonaparte, and though our emancipation here in France predates him, it is still bound up with him. And he wants there to be a Great Sanhedrin in France. Do we need one? You tell me…”

_______​

“There are two questions before us on usury,” said Moïse Seligmann. He was in a different room at a different table, with the other members of the committee who would consider the issue of lending at interest. “One is easy, and one may be hard.”

A murmur of agreement spread through the room. The first question – whether Jews could practice usury toward other Jews – could be answered with a straightforward quotation from Deuteronomy, and the answer was “no.” The second, though, was knottier. “Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest,” the Torah said, but it had long been disputed whether this permitted charging interest to gentiles or only paying interest to them, and that dispute had never been definitively resolved.

“Well, we know the answer Bonaparte wants,” said Jacob Rodrigues, one of the lay members from Bordeaux. “And that, too, seems straightforward enough. Dina malkhuta dina” – the law of the land is the law – “so if Bonaparte says we shouldn’t lend at interest, then we shouldn’t.”

“That isn’t the answer Bonaparte wants,” Seligmann said. “He wants us to declare our law, not merely to obey his. And besides, there is no law in France that forbids usury, either to the gentiles or to us.”

“Then we declare it as our law. There’s certainly precedent for it.”

Seligmann was silent for a moment – could it truly be that simple? And in truth, the answer Bonaparte wanted was also the answer he wanted. The Rambam had said that one of the attributes of a judge of the Sanhedrin must be a loathing for money, and though Seligmann’s family, like many other rabbinical dynasties in Alsace and the Bas-Rhin, had married into banking dynasties, he had grown, as a syndic of the Strasbourg kehillah, to have that loathing. But while there were indeed rabbinical opinions that all usury, to gentiles as well as Jews, was banned, there were also precedents the other way, and neither was clearly more authoritative than the other…

“And besides,” said Millaud, the delegate from Vaucluse, “generations of Jews have made their living from banking, and many of them have bene pious protectors of their brethren. Are we to condemn them all?”

“Those families became bankers because they needed to be,” Seligmann answered. “They were restricted from all other professions, and our law is not so strict as to demand that they starve. But those professions are not closed to us now.”

“Necessity can be the law,” Millaud said, “but not the whole of it.”

“Then do as the Sanhedrin – the other one – did with the slave trade,” Rodrigues answered. Seligmann briefly wondered how Rodrigues, a layman, would know of that ruling, but then remembered that he had cousins in that very trade, and that he’d publicly wished he could hand them over to the rabbis in Tzfat for judgment. And his reference to that precedent was a sound one. The Sanhedrin had ruled that though there was no law in the slave trade, there was no way to engage in it without breaking many other laws. Surely, as well, one could not practice usury without the causing strife within families, encouraging dissolute habits, exposing borrowers to the risks of bankruptcy and public disgrace.

“We will consider it,” Seligmann temporized – there was no need to decide today, and it was good to debate the matter thoroughly. But he was sure that this would be what the committee reported out for a vote on the floor. It would ultimately be an easy question, one in which the Jewish community could both please the Emperor and be true to itself.

He was very happy that he wouldn’t be the one to decide whether marriages between Jews and non-Jews were permissible or whether the Jewish people were a nation. He had learned geometry in his youth as well as Talmud, and those circles would be much harder to square.

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“Are we a nation, then?” asked Carel Asser. His table was not in the Hôtel de Ville at all, nor were the men gathered with him part of any committee; they were among those that Sinzheim and the Interior Ministry commissioners had deemed unknown or unreliable. Their meeting-place was the tavern Au Rocher de Cancale, they had mugs of ale in their hands and sat among boisterous tables graced by fresh oysters (although they ate none themselves), and the debate they were preparing for would take place on the floor.

“Why don’t you argue in favor,” he said to Nathan Mayer. He had no idea if Mayer, a notary from Strasbourg, was actually for or against, but at the university, he’d frequently been assigned a point to argue regardless of his belief, and as an advocate he’d found that practice useful. “I’ll take the negative.”

“I have a meal to finish,” said Mayer. They’d bought two chickens from a kosher butcher in the Marais, found herbs and potatoes and onions in the market, and brought them to the tavern with kosher pots and Galilee olive oil; for a few extra francs, the taverner had agreed that his cooks would prepare them. Most of those at the table had finished their portions and were well into their third or fourth cup of ale, but Mayer evidently believed that it was best to take one’s time. “Why don’t you go first? Or maybe we can debate another question – what are Jews doing in a tavern?”

“You don’t think the Sanhedrin in Tzfat ever has a cup of wine together?” asked Cohen, a student who’d come from Vienna and hoped to return while there was still peace between Austria and France. “And Asser has his story about London…”

“London, yes,” Asser confirmed. He’d gone to London from Amsterdam on business, and that one trip seemed to have given him an endless fund of stories. “There are Jewish constables there, you know – in Aldgate parish where most of the Jews live. One of them was always in the taverns, and when the Jews wanted to report a theft, they knew to go to his favorite one. ‘There are good Jews and bad Jews,’ he’d say, ‘and I’m not one of the best, rabbis be damned.’”

“We are supposed to be among the best, though,” said Mayer quietly, “or why are we here? And it seems strange to damn rabbis on the floor of a Sanhedrin.”

“But all the same, you’re here with the rest of us, and if we’re the best, it seems to have escaped Sinzheim’s notice. Good or bad, we’re members of the parliament of our nation – are we a nation?”

“Of course we are,” Mayer answered, taking the bait at last. “We’ve always been the people Israel. How would we have survived so long if we weren’t? We’d have disappeared like a drop of ink in the ocean.”

“Well said! But I hold that we were a nation when we had no other, and that now we do. I am a Jewish Dutchman, and that’s all I need to be. There are Catholic and Protestant Dutchmen…”

“Who are nations,” said Cohen, “or will you tell me there’s no difference between Hollanders and Belgians?”

“They have their differences, but when they’re in Amsterdam, all of them are citizens.”

“You have liberties in Amsterdam,” said Mayer, “but are you sure you’ll have them next year or fifty years from now? And if the Dutch expel you, who will take you in? The Jews of other cities, as in the past. Without that bond we are nothing.”

“At Mount Tabor,” said Carmi, who had been silent before, “the Jews who fought Bonaparte fought under the Zaydani banner, but their battle cry was still ‘am Yisrael chai.’”

“Lower your voice!” Asser hissed, looking around to see if anyone had overheard the mention of fighting against the Emperor. “And for them, they are citizens of their own province even if they’re subject to the Banu Zaydan. Maybe they are a nation.”

Cohen looked ready to answer, but Mayer held up his hand. “Maybe we’re asking the wrong question,” he said. “Before we can ask whether Jews are a nation, don’t we need to ask what a nation is?” With his other hand, he gestured at the mugs of ale on the table. “And that, I think, will take us several more of those.”
 
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FIRST ACT
FEBRUARY 1805

“So are we a Sanhedrin?” asked David Sinzheim.

The others in the room laughed. All of them knew Sinzheim and knew each other – Sinzheim wouldn’t have dared let any unknown quantities onto this committee – and they were comfortable together. Under the laughter, though, was the recognition that the question was deadly serious.

“The question is whether we are a Great Sanhedrin,” corrected Abraham Vita. “And since there is already one in Palestine, the question is whether there can be more than one.”

“There has never been more than one,” said Joshua Segrè – like the others in the room, from an old rabbinic family. “But Rabbi Jehoshua ben Levi said that Sanhedrins are to be established both in Palestine and other places out of Palestine…”

Small Sanhedrins,” interrupted Sinzheim, but let Segrè continue to speak – Segrè knew as well as he did what Rabbi Jehoshua had been talking about, and Sinzheim realized that he was building an argument, not yet making one.

“And as Furtado said when we met with the Emperor, the Sanhedrin even in the Holy Land has changed over time,” Segrè continued. “The Rambam says that the Great Sanhedrin is to meet at the Beit ha-Mikdash, but there hasn’t been one of those since the time of Vespasian. And all the sources in the Mishnah and Gemara put the number of judges in the Great Sanhedrin as seventy-one, yet there are more than that now in Tzfat alone…”

Heads nodded around the table; everyone knew that the Sanhedrin of Palestine had exceeded the ancient number from the very beginning. The Rambam had decreed that a Great Sanhedrin could only exist by unanimous consent of the rabbis in the Land of Israel, and leaving any rabbi out would risk the withdrawal of that consent. It was a point of controversy even now, and the Sanhedrin was careful to assign only seventy-one judges to any given case, but they’d never confronted the issue head-on for fear of what would happen if they did, and since the affair of the Maharitz forty years past, the supernumerary judges had been enshrined in law.

“Rabbi Johanan said that judges of the Sanhedrin must know seventy languages,” added Vita. “I doubt any of the hahamim in Palestine can boast that…”
True. and Furthermore even in Rabbi Yonatans time I doubt that was true. On another note How do you count languages?
“That just means judges must be widely educated,” said Sinzheim. “Even the Rambam omits that when he lists the things that members of the Sanhedrin must know.”

“Certainly,” said Segrè. “But it also means that the laws regarding the Sanhedrin aren’t to be taken too literally.”

“There are laws and laws, though. And some are to be taken more literally than others – laws that are foundational rather than aspirational.”

“But is there a law that there can only be one Great Sanhedrin?” asked Segrè. “It has always been assumed that there would only be one. There are laws that imply there will be only one. And the Rambam said that there is no obligation to set up courts in every region outside the Holy Land. But is there any law decreeing that there can only be one?”

“Are we to be Hillel or Shammai, in other words,” said Vita. “Are we to say that everything not forbidden is permitted, or that everything not permitted is forbidden?”
I love Hilllel vs Shammai
“That, too, is a balance that is struck different ways at different times,” Sinzheim replied. “We must consider what weighs on each side of that balance. Maybe we should do as the Sanhedrin of Palestine does and consider the nafka minah, the practicalities, and when I consider that, I keep coming back to Hillel – the other Hillel, the one who was Nasi in the time of the amoraim – and the calendar.”

Again, the others in the room needed no explanation. The second Hillel had presided over the Sanhedrin at a time when Jewish life in the Holy Land was declining and the very existence of the Great Sanhedrin was in danger, and he had ruled that the calendar should follow a mathematical formula valid throughout the world rather than being determined anew each year by the Sanhedrin’s observations. There was no law for this before his time, but there was a necessity.

“Nor was that the only instance,” Segrè said. “Only those who have received semikhah in the Holy Land are supposed to be judges – the rabbanim and the Rambam said this – but we have always appointed judges in our communities even when no one in the Holy Land could confer such authority. And judges in the diaspora aren’t supposed to decide cases of robbery or rape or personal injury, but they always have, because who would do so if they didn’t?”
Another rumor ive heard of Hillel II(from Telushkin) is that he merely published the mathematics and hat he Sanhedrin had been covertly using it since Hillel the elder.
“Then the question,” said Sinzheim, “is whether there can be a Great Sanhedrin in the diaspora if we need there to be one?”

“You could put it that way, yes.”

“Then do we need there to be one?”

“In my city,” Vita answered, “there were ghetto walls eight years ago. I am a citizen now because of Bonaparte. The Jews of many other cities are citizens because of Bonaparte, and though our emancipation here in France predates him, it is still bound up with him. And he wants there to be a Great Sanhedrin in France. Do we need one? You tell me…”
the rule of necessity
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“There are two questions before us on usury,” said Moïse Seligmann. He was in a different room at a different table, with the other members of the committee who would consider the issue of lending at interest. “One is easy, and one may be hard.”

A murmur of agreement spread through the room. The first question – whether Jews could practice usury toward other Jews – could be answered with a straightforward quotation from Deuteronomy, and the answer was “no.” The second, though, was knottier. “Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest,” the Torah said, but it had long been disputed whether this permitted charging interest to gentiles or only paying interest to them, and that dispute had never been definitively resolved.

“Well, we know the answer Bonaparte wants,” said Jacob Rodrigues, one of the lay members from Bordeaux. “And that, too, seems straightforward enough. Dina malkhuta dina” – the law of the land is the law – “so if Bonaparte says we shouldn’t lend at interest, then we shouldn’t.”

“That isn’t the answer Bonaparte wants,” Seligmann said. “He wants us to declare our law, not merely to obey his. And besides, there is no law in France that forbids usury, either to the gentiles or to us.”

“Then we declare it as our law. There’s certainly precedent for it.”

Seligmann was silent for a moment – could it truly be that simple? And in truth, the answer Bonaparte wanted was also the answer he wanted. The Rambam had said that one of the attributes of a judge of the Sanhedrin must be a loathing for money, and though Seligmann’s family, like many other rabbinical dynasties in Alsace and the Bas-Rhin, had married into banking dynasties, he had grown, as a syndic of the Strasbourg kehillah, to have that loathing. But while there were indeed rabbinical opinions that all usury, to gentiles as well as Jews, was banned, there were also precedents the other way, and neither was clearly more authoritative than the other…

“And besides,” said Millaud, the delegate from Vaucluse, “generations of Jews have made their living from banking, and many of them have bene pious protectors of their brethren. Are we to condemn them all?”

“Those families became bankers because they needed to be,” Seligmann answered. “They were restricted from all other professions, and our law is not so strict as to demand that they starve. “But those professions are not closed to us now.”

“Necessity can be the law,” Millaud said, “but not the whole of it.”

“Then do as the Sanhedrin – the other one – did with the slave trade,” Rodrigues answered. Seligmann briefly wondered how Rodrigues, a layman, would know of that ruling, but then remembered that he had cousins in that very trade, and that he’d publicly wished he could hand them over to the rabbis in Tzfat for judgment. And his reference to that precedent was a sound one. The Sanhedrin had ruled that though there was no law in the slave trade, there was no way to engage in it without breaking many other laws. Surely, as well, one could not practice usury without the causing strife within families, encouraging dissolute habits, exposing borrowers to the risks of bankruptcy and public disgrace.

“We will consider it,” Seligmann temporized – there was no need to decide today, and it was good to debate the matter thoroughly. But he was sure that this would be what the committee reported out for a vote on the floor. It would ultimately be an easy question, one in which the Jewish community could both please the Emperor and be true to itself.

He was very happy that he wouldn’t be the one to decide whether marriages between Jews and non-Jews were permissible, whether the Jewish people were a nation. He had learned geometry in his youth as well as Talmud, and those circles would be much harder to square.

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“Are we a nation, then?” asked Carel Asser. His table was not in the Hôtel de Ville at all, nor were the men gathered with him part of any committee; they were among those that Sinzheim and the Interior Ministry commissioners had deemed unknown or unreliable. Their meeting-place was the tavern Au Rocher de Cancale, they had mugs of ale in their hands and sat among boisterous tables graced by fresh oysters (although they ate none themselves), and the debate they were preparing for would take place on the floor.

“Why don’t you argue in favor,” he said to Nathan Mayer. He had no idea if Mayer, a notary from Strasbourg, was actually for or against, but at the university, he’d frequently been assigned a point to argue regardless of his belief, and as an advocate he’d found that practice useful. “I’ll take the negative.”
a good practice.
“I have a meal to finish,” said Mayer. They’d bought two chickens from a kosher butcher in the Marais, found herbs and potatoes and onions in the market, and brought them to the tavern with kosher pots and Galilee olive oil; for a few extra francs, the taverner had agreed that his cooks would prepare them. Most of those at the table had finished their portions and were well into their third or fourth cup of ale, but Mayer evidently believed that it was best to take one’s time. “Why don’t you go first? Or maybe we can debate another question – what are Jews doing in a tavern?”

“You don’t think the Sanhedrin in Tzfat ever has a cup of wine together?” asked Cohen, a student who’d come from Vienna and hoped to return while there was still peace between Austria and France. “And Asser has his story about London…”

“London, yes,” Asser confirmed. He’d gone to London from Amsterdam on business, and that one trip seemed to have given him an endless fund of stories. “There are Jewish constables there, you know – in Aldgate parish where most of the Jews live. One of them was always in the taverns, and when the Jews wanted to report a theft, they knew to go to his favorite one. ‘There are good Jews and bad Jews,’ he’d say, ‘and I’m not one of the best, rabbis be damned.’”

“We are supposed to be among the best, though,” said Mayer quietly, “or why are we here? And it seems strange to damn rabbis on the floor of a Sanhedrin.”

“But all the same, you’re here with the rest of us, and if we’re the best, it seems to have escaped Sinzheim’s notice. Good or bad, we’re members of the parliament of our nation – are we a nation?”

“Of course we are,” Mayer answered, taking the bait at last. “We’ve always been the people Israel. How would we have survived so long if we weren’t? We’d have disappeared like a drop of ink in the ocean.”
the Hess argument in Rome and Jerusalem.
“Well said! But I hold that we were a nation when we had no other, and that now we do. I am a Jewish Dutchman, and that’s all I need to be. There are Catholic and Protestant Dutchmen…”

“Who are nations,” said Cohen, “or will you tell me there’s no difference between Hollanders and Belgians?”
see the point on languages.
“They have their differences, but when they’re in Amsterdam, all of them are citizens.”

“You have liberties in Amsterdam,” said Mayer, “but are you sure you’ll have them next year or fifty years from now? And if the Dutch expel you, who will take you in? The Jews of other cities, as in the past. Without that bond we are nothing.”
Damascus affair
“At Mount Tabor,” said Carmi, who had been silent before, “the Jews who fought Bonaparte fought under the Zaydani banner, but their battle cry was still ‘am Yisrael chai.’”

“Lower your voice!” Asser hissed, looking around to see if anyone had overheard the mention of fighting against the Emperor. “And for them, they are citizens of their own province even if they’re subject to the Banu Zaydan. Maybe they are a nation.”

Cohen looked ready to answer, but Mayer held up his hand. “Maybe we’re asking the wrong question,” he said. “Before we can ask whether Jews are a nation, don’t we need to ask what a nation is?” With his other hand, he gestured at the mugs of ale on the table. “And that, I think, will take us several more of those.”
Im betting the question on are Jews a nation will solve it like Alice tell me what a nation is first and then I'll tell you if we are one. This will force Bonaparte to take a stance on that question more generally. and I doubt he wants to answer it.
 
True. and Furthermore even in Rabbi Yonatans time I doubt that was true. On another note How do you count languages?
I'm sure that if it had ever been necessary, the rabbanim would have found a way. But even if you count dialects and registers, I doubt that anyone knows seventy.
I love Hilllel vs Shammai
And continuing your point about the etrog incident(s) of antiquity, we must hope that there won't be a recurrence of the Beit Shammai-Beit Hillel debate that took place during the run-up to the first Judean revolt:

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Another rumor ive heard of Hillel II(from Telushkin) is that he merely published the mathematics and hat he Sanhedrin had been covertly using it since Hillel the elder.
I would assume, though, that rabbis in the early 19th century would accept the traditional story of Hillel II and the calendar as fact.
Im betting the question on are Jews a nation will solve it like Alice tell me what a nation is first and then I'll tell you if we are one. This will force Bonaparte to take a stance on that question more generally. and I doubt he wants to answer it.
Answering a question with a question? Surely Jews would never do that! But I suspect Nap might have to swallow it in this instance, and to satisfy himself with concurring and dissenting opinions.

It's times like this, BTW, that I wish the deliberations of the Assemblée des notables IOTL were available in some form that I don't need to go to an archive in Paris to read - there were apparently some contemporary accounts and letters from the members, but they've been out of print for more than two centuries. The secondary sources are enough for me to get an idea of what was going on and who was in what faction, and I think my imagined debates ITTL are pretty faithful (mutatis mutandis to there being another Sanhedrin and to the debates taking place in the Napoleonic Sanhedrin itself rather than a preparatory assembly), but I'd love to have some primary sources to check against.
 
INTERMISSION MARCH 1805
INTERMISSION
MARCH 1805

The Pharaon might or might not have been the newest coffeehouse in Tzfat – there was always one popping up somewhere – but at least for the present, it was the most unusual. One of the owners, Charles Minier, was among the French prisoners who’d refused to go home after the peace of Cairo; he came from a family of confectioners, and he made the coffee and desserts. The other, David Moadab, was a Jew from Alexandria, and he made the food.

The place was a favorite of the Egyptian Jews; there were more than two thousand in the Galilee now, and nearly all of them had come in the past four years. Though the peace between Bonaparte and the Porte had been made at Cairo, Egypt had known little of it; the time since had been marked by the struggles between Muhammad Ali Pasha and Ibrahim Bey, by rebellions among the Mamluk emirs, by agreements made and broken. The Sultan’s hands were full there, full enough that he had no attention to spare for the Banu Zaydan or the Tuqans, and many had fled the war to a nearby place of peace. The Muslims and Copts had settled mostly along the coast, where the Zaydani emir had use for them; the Karaites had gone to Jerusalem where there were others of their faith; the Jews had come here. Here to the Galilee, here to the Pharaon.

And since the Pharaon was so near to the Or Tamid, the courthouses, and the hall of records, many of the Sanhedrin’s clerks, too, came. Sometimes even the rabbis came – Moadab kept the kitchen as strictly as any of theirs.

Today, even Mordechai Hacohen, the Nasi, was there.

He presided over the front table, opposite walls painted with scenes of pyramids and markets and green Nile marshes – Soraya, Minier’s Maronite wife, was a painter as the nagidah was. At the center was a bowl of fenik, a Cairo Jewish stew of grain, onions, eggs, pepper and herbs; in Egypt it was a slow-cooked Sabbath meal, but Moadab made it daily. There was potato soup with turmeric, another Jewish specialty; the more typically Egyptian foul mudammas; bowls of yogurt and plates of flatbread. The coffee was made au lait, the French way, rather than the thick bitter coffee that was usual, and it was popular enough to be worth not being able to cook meat.

And around it all, members of the Sanhedrin talked about the other Sanhedrin.

“It isn’t a Great Sanhedrin, of course,” said Hacohen. “There can be no question of that. But it is an assembly of hahamim, and an assembly of hahamim is not to be despised. We must consider each of their rulings carefully; we will disregard the ones that have no merit, of course, but give weight to those that do.”

“What merit is likely from them, though?” asked Yehuda of Lemberg. “Sinzheim is no mean scholar, true, but he’ll say whatever pleases Bonaparte.”

“And is he so different in that from other scholars?” said Avraham Karo. “How many of us have had to say what pleased the Caesars, the Popes, the Caliphs, the fire-worshiping kings of Babylon?”

“We said those things with our lips sometimes. But we kept faith in our hearts, even if we had to do so in secret. Sinzheim will serve Bonaparte in public, and he will do so with his soul as well as his voice.”

“Molcho served Bonaparte,” muttered Daniel Cantarini, the Av Bet Din, “and he did well enough out of it.”

“That for Molcho,” said Karo, and the sentiment was widely shared. The chief rabbi of Jerusalem had recanted his decree of excommunication against the Galilee Jews who’d fought Napoleon – his power came from being a member of the Sanhedrin, and he couldn’t sit with his fellow rabbis and ban them at the same time – but the negotiations over the Yerushalmis’ status were dragging on bitterly with little end in sight, and Molcho didn’t shrink from emphasizing that the deed to the Wailing Wall was kept in his house. It hadn’t yet come to swords and spears in the way that Beit Shammai had once fought Beit Hillel, but there had been as many majority votes in the Sanhedrin in the past five years than the previous two centuries, and the rabbinate of the Land of Israel was denied unity at a time when, it now seemed, there would be great need for it.

“In any event,” said Hacohen, raising a hand to retake charge of the conversation, “Netanel bin Saleh should be there by now He’ll observe and learn what is in Sinzheim’s heart, and he’ll tell us what we need to know.”

“I still say we shouldn’t have sent him,” Yehuda grumbled. There was no quarreling with Netanel’s standing as a scholar, to be sure, and he’d made it his business to learn French and to pick up English and German besides – he might not know the seventy languages that were a Sanhedrin member’s ideal qualification, but he was making a good start on it. But he was entirely too much of a modernist for Yehuda’s taste, and… “We should have sent someone who isn’t married to the nagidah.”

“Abulafia and Yitzhaki will keep him out of trouble,” answered Cantarini. “And that’s exactly why we need him. He can represent the nagidah as well as us, if there’s diplomacy to be done.”

“Diplomacy?” asked Karo as if he’d never heard the word before, but it took him only a moment to understand. The Paris Sanhedrin was a political body as well as a religious one – hadn’t he and Yehuda just made that very point? – and if it was going to be the body that represented the Jews of Napoleon’s empire, then it might be wise for the Yishuv to build relationships with it, no matter how right or wrong its religious decrees. And such relationships would implicate the civil authorities no less than the Sanhedrin. The idea that the Sanhedrin and the nagidah might work together went against the grain, but it was the job of the Nasi and the Av Bet Din to consider such things, was it not?

It's not as if we haven’t made other strange alliances lately, he reflected. Who could have imagined, when the mukhtar of Jerusalem’s Mughrabi quarter had first sought the patronage of the Mughrabi Jews of the Galilee, that he would become one of the Sanhedrin’s go-betweens with Molcho, or that he would be the one to enforce the contracts that governed the Wall? Who would have imagined having fenik and French coffee two streets from the Or Tamid?

“Exactly,” said Hacohen. “Netanel will let us know what relations can be made between their house and ours – what we can build on, what we must fight. And if he is to speak for our house, he must speak for all of it.”
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Throughout the journey from Marseilles to Paris, Netanel bin Saleh had drawn stares. He was clearly a man of some consequence, as he traveled with two bodyguards; his sidelocks and the fringes on his garments also made clear that he was a Jew. But he looked like no Jew the Frenchmen had ever seen. He was nearly as dark as a Moor, he was dressed as an Arab but for his black cap, he had the assurance of a nobleman – and he wore a sword at his belt.

The bodyguards, now – they looked like Jews. But they had neither sidelocks nor beards, and their suits of clothes might have been those of any moderately well-off Frenchman. And they, too, wore swords.

The French had been cordial enough, for the most part. They’d given directions when asked, they’d taken the errors in Netanel’s French with amused tolerance, and even forgave him for fighting the Emperor in '99, and they’d listened with interest to stories of Tzfat and Tiberias and Acre and to Abulafia’s tales of his days as a merchant seaman. But Netanel could always see unasked questions behind their eyes.

Now, in Paris, he was the one with the questions.

None of them – not even Abulafia, who had seen both Amsterdam and Konstantiniyye – had ever been in a city this big. All of Tzfat could fit into one of its neighborhoods, and the boulevards of jewelers and clothiers and importers were nearly as monumental as the cathedrals, palaces and banks. The streets rang with the noise of carriages and workshops and the voices of half a million people. There was enormous wealth everywhere Netanel looked, and around the next corner, unspeakable poverty. Paris was a city almost larger than faith, and suddenly Netanel understood how so much that was revolutionary had come from here.

Maybe that also explained its Jews and its Sanhedrin.

The three envoys had been in Paris for five days now; they’d been received by Sinzheim, sat in the gallery when the Grand Sanhedrin held its weekly open session, been invited as guests to some of the committee meetings, and met privately with a few of the faction leaders. They’d left each with more questions than answers. Netanel, and even more so his companions, had felt the greatest kinship with men like Furtado and even Asser – men who despised obscurantism, were eager to ask questions and incorporate new knowledge, and who had a keen interest in the world around them. Yet that kinship didn’t extend to matters of religion, which that faction had diluted far beyond Netanel’s taste, or to their ways of living, which separated what was Jewish from what was modern far more than it blended the two.

He'd read many of the writings of the European maskilim and found much to admire in their philosophy and scholarship. But his faith was closer to that of men like Sinzheim or Vita. And there were things that came as naturally to him as drinking water – conversing in Hebrew, for instance – that the maskilim did with far more self-consciousness.

“Is it because they live among so many gentiles?” he asked Abulafia one evening on the banks of the Seine, but even as he did so, he knew that wasn’t it at all – certainly, his ancestors in Yemen had never hesitated to write poetry and chronicles in Hebrew and to debate ideas that filtered from elsewhere, even though they’d been a minority and a despised one at that. Maybe it was a matter of the barriers that existed in Yemen and that still existed in part for rabbis like Sinzheim but much less for Asser and Furtado. Or maybe it was simply as he’d thought when he first saw Paris – that this was a city and a world that defied traditions, Jewish or not.

He could already see that there would be different rules in this world than in the Land of Israel or even in cities like Acre that made a point of being just outside it. There would be no way to prevent that, not with Bonaparte insisting on it and this Sanhedrin having little choice but to acquiesce. The question would be whether those rules could be made compatible, or failing that, whether he could ensure that the Paris Sanhedrin’s authority ended at the borders of Napoleon’s empire as his Sanhedrin’s writ ended at those of the Holy Land.

There were certainly precedents for having different laws in different countries, and for having legal assemblies in the diaspora that ruled only for the diaspora – one such assembly, called by Rabbenu Gershom centuries before, had banned polygamy for Ashkenazim and only for them. And if the Paris Sanhedrin recognized such limits, then the centuries of groundwork the Sanhedrin of Palestine had laid in codifying differences of custom could be a way for the two to live together. If not…

Netanel realized of a sudden that his hand was on the hilt of his sword. And in the next moment, he remembered that he’d raised a sword against Bonaparte once before.
 
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The place was a favorite of the Egyptian Jews; there were more than two thousand in the Galilee now, and nearly all of them had come in the past four years. Though the peace between Bonaparte and the Porte had been made at Cairo, Egypt had known little of it; the time since had been marked by the struggles between Muhammad Ali Pasha and Ibrahim Bey, by rebellions among the Mamluk emirs, by agreements made and broken. The Sultan’s hands were full there, full enough that he had no attention to spare for the Banu Zaydan or the Tuqans, and many had fled the war to a nearby place of peace. The Muslims and Copts had settled mostly along the coast, where the Zaydani emir had use for them; the Karaites had gone to Jerusalem where there were others of their faith; the Jews had come here. Here to the Galilee, here to the Pharaon.
Tanzimat over Egypt??
He presided over the front table, opposite walls painted with scenes of pyramids and markets and green Nile marshes – Soraya, Minier’s Maronite wife, was a painter as the nagidah was. At the center was a bowl of fenik, a Cairo Jewish stew of grain and onions and eggs and pepper; in Egypt it was a slow-cooked Sabbath meal, but Moadab made it daily. There was potato soup with turmeric, another Jewish specialty; the more typically Egyptian foul mudammas; bowls of yogurt and plates of flatbread. The coffee was made au lait, the French way, rather than the thick bitter coffee that was usual, and it was popular enough to be worth not being able to cook meat.
So European brewing methods are displacing traditional brewing and preparation or is that only in public and coffeehouses?
And around it all, members of the Sanhedrin talked about the other Sanhedrin.

“It isn’t a Great Sanhedrin, of course,” said Hacohen. “There can be no question of that. But it is an assembly of hahamim, and an assembly of hahamim is not to be despised. We must consider each of their rulings carefully; we will disregard the ones that have no merit, of course, but give weight to those that do.”

“What merit is likely from them, though?” asked Yehuda of Lemberg. “Sinzheim is no mean scholar, true, but he’ll say whatever pleases Bonaparte.”

“And is he so different in that from other scholars?” said Avraham Karo. “How many of us have had to say what pleased the Caesars, the Popes, the Caliphs, the fire-worshiping kings of Babylon?”
The Syracuse problem.
“That for Molcho,” said Karo, and the sentiment was widely shared. The chief rabbi of Jerusalem had recanted his decree of excommunication against the Galilee Jews who’d fought Napoleon – his power came from being a member of the Sanhedrin, and he couldn’t sit with his fellow rabbis and ban them at the same time – but the negotiations over the Yerushalmis’ status were dragging on bitterly with little end in sight, and Molcho didn’t shrink from emphasizing that the deed to the Wailing Wall was kept in his house. It hadn’t yet come to swords and spears in the way that Beit Shammai had once fought Beit Hillel, but there had been as many majority votes in the Sanhedrin in the past five years than the previous two centuries, and the rabbinate of the Land of Israel was denied unity at a time when, it now seemed, there would be great need for it.
The politics of owning pilgrimage sites is rearing its head and only meron and Tzafat itself are in the Galilee's authority Molcho can get Machpelah and Modiin easier than them.
“I still say we shouldn’t have sent him,” Yehuda grumbled. There was no quarreling with Netanel’s standing as a scholar, to be sure, and he’d made it his business to learn French and to pick up English and German besides – he might not know the seventy languages that were a Sanhedrin member’s ideal qualification, but he was making a good start on it. But he was entirely too much of a modernist for Yehuda’s taste, and… “We should have sent someone who wasn’t married to the nagidah.”

“Abulafia and Yitzhaki will keep him out of trouble,” answered Cantarini. “And that’s exactly why we need him. He can represent the nagidah as well as us, if there’s diplomacy to be done.”

“Diplomacy?” asked Karo as if he’d never heard the word before, but it took him only a moment to understand. The Paris Sanhedrin was a political body as well as a religious one – hadn’t he and Yehuda just made that very point? – and if it was going to be the body that represented the Jews of Napoleon’s empire, then it might be wise for the Yishuv to build relationships with it, no matter how right or wrong its religious decrees. And such relationships would implicate the civil authorities no less than the Sanhedrin. The idea that the Sanhedrin and the nagidah might work together went against the grain, but it was the job of the Nasi and the Av Bet Din to consider such things, was it not?
how will their neighbors the Porte and the Banu Zaydani see it?
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Now, in Paris, he was the one with the questions.

None of them – not even Abulafia, who had seen both Amsterdam and Konstantiniyye – had ever been in a city this big. All of Tzfat could fit into one of its neighborhoods, and the boulevards of jewelers and clothiers and importers were nearly as monumental as the cathedrals, palaces and banks. The streets rang with the noise of carriages and workshops and the voices of half a million people. There was enormous wealth everywhere Netanel looked, and around the next corner, unspeakable poverty. Paris was a city almost larger than faith, and suddenly Netanel understood how so much that was revolutionary had come from here.
Do you hear the people sing(okay thats still 14 years in the future if it happens at all) and this is before the 1870 redesign.
The three envoys had been in Paris for five days now; they’d been received by Sinzheim, sat in the gallery when the Grand Sanhedrin held its weekly open session, been invited as guests to some of the committee meetings, and met privately with a few of the faction leaders. They’d left each with more questions than answers. Netanel, and even more so his companions, had felt the greatest kinship with men like Furtado and even Asser – men who despised obscurantism, were eager to ask questions and incorporate new knowledge, and who had a keen interest in the world around them. Yet that kinship didn’t extend to matters of religion, which that faction had diluted far beyond Netanel’s taste, or to their ways of living, which separated what was Jewish from what was modern far more than it blended the two.

He'd read many of the writings of the European maskilim and found much to admire in their philosophy and scholarship. But his faith was closer to that of men like Sinzheim or Vita. And there were things that came as naturally to him as drinking water – conversing in Hebrew, for instance – that the maskilim did with far more self-consciousness.
We're getting answers to how the two Enlightenments are diverging.
“Is it because they live among so many gentiles?” he asked Abulafia one evening on the banks of the Seine, but even as he did so, he knew that wasn’t it at all – certainly, his ancestors in Yemen had never hesitated to write poetry and chronicles in Hebrew and to debate ideas that filtered from elsewhere, even though they’d been a minority and a despised one at that. Maybe it was a matter of the barriers that existed in Yemen and that still existed in part for rabbis like Sinzheim but much less for Asser and Furtado. Or maybe it was simply as he’d thought when he first saw Paris – that this was a city and a world that defied traditions, Jewish or not.
accurate.
He could already see that there would be different rules in this world than in the Land of Israel or even in cities like Acre that made a point of being just outside it. There would be no way to prevent that, not with Bonaparte insisting on it and this Sanhedrin having little choice but to acquiesce. The question would be whether those rules could be made compatible, or failing that, whether he could ensure that the Paris Sanhedrin’s authority ended at the borders of Napoleon’s empire as his Sanhedrin’s writ ended at those of the Holy Land.
Maybe by adding another, like and this wont happen the Kahal breaking in a third direction once Waterloo happens.(assuming Paris Sanhedrin survives Vienna if it happens
 
Tanzimat over Egypt??
Some other things need to happen first. Such as. But yeah, it's pretty evident at this point that the Porte needs to arrest its decline, and the question is more how it will try to reform its administration and how successful it will be than whether it will do so.
So European brewing methods are displacing traditional brewing and preparation or is that only in public and coffeehouses?
It's in this coffeehouse. French coffee is popular because it's new and different, but there's still plenty of demand for traditional coffee and always will be. What's happening in Tzfat is more expansion of tastes than changing of them.

(Another thing the Egyptian Jews are bringing? The remnant of their Sufi-influenced pietist movement.)
The politics of owning pilgrimage sites is rearing its head and only meron and Tzafat itself are in the Galilee's authority Molcho can get Machpelah and Modiin easier than them.
Not to mention that the Tuqans would prefer the sites to be under control of a rabbinate based in their territory. That can only go so far, because when push comes to shove, the Jerusalem and Hebron rabbis have to recognize the primacy of the Sanhedrin or else lose a lot of legitimacy and revenue, but it gives Molcho leverage and he's not shy about using it. Give things the right push at the right time, and an etrog incident might actually happen.
how will their neighbors the Porte and the Banu Zaydani see it?
As will become clearer in the next update (there will be two more Napoleonic Sanhedrin updates, followed by the aftermath in 1805-06), Yitzhaki, who is from the Acre kollel, is informally in Paris on behalf of the Zaydani emir and will report back to him. The Porte's attitude, as usual, will be "we don't much care as long as it isn't trouble for us," and might actually react more to its impact in Salonika and Konstantiniyye than Palestine where the Sanhedrin can take care of itself.
We're getting answers to how the two Enlightenments are diverging.
And more so over time, but there will still be cross-currents - for instance, if there's ever an equivalent to the Conservative/Masorti movement ITTL, it will probably draw heavily on the Galilee Haskalah's responses to the European one.
Maybe by adding another, like and this wont happen the Kahal breaking in a third direction once Waterloo happens.(assuming Paris Sanhedrin survives Vienna if it happens
Two Jews, three opinions is as close to a historical constant as there will be ITTL, so that could happen. Or alternatively, not. The postwar order still has a lot of undecided points.
 
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