The Union Forever: A TL

1) What about Zionism in the TL?
Well, since there was no holocaust or any great genocide of the Jews ITTL, I don't think Zionism will come up.

2) Would the Arab portions of the Ottoman Empire stay united with Turkey our breakaway?
I can't remember, was there any Arab revolt ITTL? I can imagine it going either way, but I'm leaning toward them gaining independence sometime within a couple decades after the war, depending on how heavy or light a hand the Ottomans use.

3) What would the Tech level be like in 2011?
Probably about the same as OTL

4) What kind of political parties should there be in the Russian Empire?
Well, like most of Europe there would probably be a socialist party of some kind. A Czarist/nationalist party that evolves into a conservative party sounds quite likely, and perhaps some secessionist parties that are powerful in regions like the Caucuses and central asia.

5) What about Communism/Marxism in the TL? (Yes, it does exists in the TL) What nation if any is most likely to go Red?
Communism ITTL would likely befall some of the countries in the Balkans, but I can easily see some of the colonies fall to it after they gain independence like IOTL. Of course that all depends on how long the Europeans keep their colonies. They longer they have them, the less likely they will go communist.

6) Will Ireland breakaway as OTL or stay part of the United Kingdom?
Most timelines have Ireland breakaway, so it could happen. If there were alot of solely Irish divisions in the war then I can imagine that they would gain independence. However if the Irish and British fought in intergrated units it would probably be less likely.

7) What would people like to see the outcome of the Chinese Civil War be?
Well, historically speaking China is almost destined to fall under a single rule eventually. China's history is a story of being unified but being closed off and poor, or of being open, wealthy, and fragmented. In the end China always reunifies under some system of Authoritarianism. I can imagine a dictatorship calling itself a republic emerging under some sort of nationalist regime, or even a communist regime.

8) How will the lack of involvement in the world wars effect the future development of the low countries?
Without their involvement in the world wars I think they will become a center of commerce in europe, at least until the nations that were wrought by war recover economically. After then I can imagine France becoming like Japan or Germany after ww2 IOTL, devoting most of its resources to technology and industry rather then war. Since France doesn't have a huge colonial empire to hold onto anymore, just north Africa, which if French immigration to them is large enough could remain under French control till 2011 just as French Guyana has.

9) How will the lack of a Second World War affect the Indian Home Rule Movement?

India is destined to gain independence. It just depends on how long it will take. Without a ww2 I could see it taking longer, or even possibly shorter depending on how developed the country becomes without extra resources being spent on a second world war.
 
With regards to the tech level by 2011, I am inclined to think it would be somewhat more advanced. I need to get off work and reread several parts of this timeline, but if I am remembering correctly, I feel that the tech level is already a couple of years ahead of OTL.

Furthermore, if a WWII analog does not occur, we possibly see continued European colonial holdings, which, if combined with the somewhat more advanced civil rights in the United States already in TTL, we could see what is in OTL the 'Third World' get more education and infrastructure development, which I believe would increase the rate of technological development. Again, I need to reread the timeline, but if China is stable and developed earlier in TTL compared to OTL, that would provide additional impulse for science and technological growth.

A lot depends upon individual scientists and engineers and what they themselves personally invent, and that is somewhat exogenous.

One question I have about the future in this timeline is demographics and population growth. At what time does the pill get invented and/or the sexual revolution happen? Will there be an equivalent of the Green Revolution? Will there be any nation implementing a one-child policy equivalent to OTL China? That will have a huge impact on standards of living and environmental standards.
 
1) What about Zionism in the TL?

2) Would the Arab portions of the Ottoman Empire stay united with Turkey our breakaway?

3) What would the Tech level be like in 2011?

4) What kind of political parties should there be in the Russian Empire?

5) What about Communism/Marxism in the TL? (Yes, it does exists in the TL) What nation if any is most likely to go Red?

6) Will Ireland breakaway as OTL or stay part of the United Kingdom?

7) What would people like to see the outcome of the Chinese Civil War be?

8) How will the lack of involvement in the world wars effect the future development of the low countries?

9) How will the lack of a Second World War affect the Indian Home Rule Movement?

1.There will be none.

2.When the decolonization movement finally kicks off, they will go. Lebanon in particular which doesn't even share religion with Turkey will likely be the first to go.

Jerusalem will be an interesting situation. It would be kind of interesting if the Christian Quarter went under the juristiction of the Vatican, the muslim Quarter to whatever power in the region. The Armenian and Jewish Quarter become independent states controlled by the leadership of the respective religions (Armenian Church and Judaism)

3.While the tech level right now is higher than OTL, without a Second world war, there wouldn't be as much of a leap in techonology (Nukes would be discovered in the 60's or later in my opinion) we could see equal or less techonology in modern day.

4.
Well, like most of Europe there would probably be a socialist party of some kind. A Czarist/nationalist party that evolves into a conservative party sounds quite likely, and perhaps some secessionist parties that are powerful in regions like the Caucuses and central asia.

5.I dont think it could take over anything but maybe a new independent state, no countires are super devestated after the Great war, so Communisim wont be needed as a "solution"

6.Ireland as a whole could break away but stay a Dominion (but maybe with amended rules like removing the Ban on Catholics becoming King to intice them to stay a dominion)

7.Something Simmilar to the Republic of China before the ITOL Chinese Civil War

8.The Low contires will likely be more industrialized and more prosperous Than OTL

9. India gains independence later.


Other thoughts:
Panama could become a Canal state, since i dont think America needs to return it to a country that made a deal with the defeated France.
Nicragua is a bit more ambigious since i dont know if america needs to return it or not, if the latter, it could also become a state.

Algeria for France, and Tunisia-Tripolitinia for Italy will likely expericence Settler Colonialism much more Than OTL.
With only one colony each to focus on, the Result will give Algeria, and Tunisia-Tripolitinia, European, Catholic Majorities by 2011.

Costal Areas will become Provinces, and the Desert will be kept as Military training areas.

French Guyana will experience "Americanization"
English speaking settlers/immigrants will be moved there, and the Forests of Guyana could be cut down for Farmland and people are moved in there. French Guyana will be one of the last states due to the low population. French will be a co language with English, comparable to OTL New Mexico.
Also America does better in the Space race, because they can launch rockets from Guyana.


MY OPINION!!!


Also i think the last update on America should be broken into Two.
One should have a list of all (including those before the TL) the States, with Population figures (guesstimated), the largest city, date of admission and the state Capital, /religion demographics and a short history of things that happened since 1912.

Example: (Not accurate but just as a model)
State of Panama
Population:300,0000
Largest City:panama City
Capital:panama City
Date of Admission October 1, 1979
Demographics:Hispanic's and Whites, Roman Catholic Majority

Short History:After Panama was taken from France in the Great war, the Canal had massive renovation work done on it. In 1929 it was reopened after its locks had been restored and water had been pumped into the emptied Lake Gatun. The U.S government to strength presecence it in its new territories, authorized Land and money to those willing to move to territories aquired in the Great war, and the exisiting territories of Nicaruga, Hawaii and Alaska. In 1979, Panama had about 130,000 citizens and petitioned for Statehood, along with Nicaruga. For a mysterious reason the president signed bills admiting the canals as states in the union within minutes of each other, and refused to tell which state was admitted first. today, Panama is a thriving commercial and military center. In sports, Panama is the Rival of Nicaruga, with a Football game between thier two Univerisites (University of Nicaruaga and Univeristy of Panama) held every year either July 1 (when it is held in Nicaruga) or July 8 (when it is held in Panama). due to the large number of indegidous hispanics, the state retains a Catholic Majortiy.

Then again writing like 60 of these could be a pain. (Maybe the states could come out in a series of updates or TL followers submit proposals for state histories)

The second American update can be like a CIA factbook sheet with infromation on the GDP, national debt, techonology level, military statistics etc.

The World update should have a little thingy on Every country and colony (that is if they are still European)
 
I've been reading through the timeline recently, and I got to say this has been a pretty good run

I find the Earl's comments interesting, and Central American states. So, are the remaining unincorporated islands going to be admitted as individual states or lumped together?
 
Wow, what a bunch of great comments!

I really like the idea of the canal zones becoming a state/states. Remember however, that the U.S. only controls a small strip of territory through each country. In order to have Panama become a state the U.S. would need to purchase the isthmus from Colombia. Would Colombia be willing to sell?

I like the World Fact Book Idea for certain countries. I doubt I will do one for every U.S. state. However, I would love for people to submit their own entries and if they are good I will try to include them in the TL's final two chapters. I am also interested in any possible suggestions for alternate state capitals. Cheers!
 
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Now I don't believe Columbia would sell the isthmus. In OTL, America had to intervene on the side of the rebels in Panama. One way the US could gain control of the isthmus would be to back the rebels in an attempt to drive the Columbians out, and then make statehood an alternative measure to nationhood.:)
 
well if the Panama canal zone can be transfered from France to America without Colombia's consent, then I dont think they are ever expecting to get it back.

Then theres Nicaruga, the country isn't very powerful, so what are they gonna do about it if there canal is made into a state?:p

The Actual Canal Zone should be large enough for a state in My Opinion. Given it is larger than OTL, it is more than half the size of Rhode Island (still not much, but I am underestimating)

An alternate solution would be to make them Territories, and they just wait a long long time to become states. (It would be kinda symbolic for Panama to get statehood in 2011 as it is 100 years after is acquisition).

I think making them states wouldn't be so much that they need it, but it can provide a reason for the U.S to hold it forever
 
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I would like to argue with Earl of Somerset about whether the tech level will be behind or ahead of our timeline come 2011, and whether a lack of WWII equivalent would decrease or increase the rate technological growth.

Without a WWII, technological progress would probably be slowed in many areas such as nuclear bombs, planes, radar, rocketry and possibly electronics. But I'm not sure I buy that war is itself overall pusher of technological growth. A big war can devote lots of energy into breakthrough research and development but war also consumes a tremendous number of resources that can be used for economic development and pure science, and kills a number of people who could grow up to be scientists or engineers.

Some of the rate of technological growth will depend on whether modern-day research and development industries get started. Also on how well the world economy does. Will TTL avoid a Great Depression equivalent? Will Europe build the economies and educational systems of their colonies, or continue to subjugate them for simple resource extraction?
 
there already was a great depression equivalent.

Also keep in mind more people died in this WWI than OTL, so that means some of the people that wouldn't be killed in WW2 will be butterflied, and that with more people dead from this war, more innovative minds have been killed.

Big wars=big technology leaps.

Also keep in mind there will be no Cold-War, so not as many resources will be devouted to research or improving education
 
I would hardly say there was a Great Depression equivalent. There was a depression, but we also had a Long Depression in OTL at roughly the same time as this time line's depression and I'd have to ask Mac Gregor about relative severities.

Also, I'm sorry if I missed this, but what were the number of deaths in this timeline's WWI equivalent? The war TTL was shorter.

And back to whether wars speed technogical development, well I still don't agree that it's near as simple as your = sign.
 
Hey Everyone,

I know it has been a while since my last update and sadly it is going to be a little longer. I am going to be out of the country for the next week, but I will hopefully be able to post the next update “The World in 2011” on the weekend after next. Just to tide you over, “The World of 2011” will contain short descriptions of the domestic and foreign policy conditions of the following nations and regions.

Imperial Eurasian Federation

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Federal Kingdom of Germany

Third French Republic

Republic of China

Hindu Republic of India

Empire of Japan

Latin America

The Middle East

Africa

As always, in the meantime I would love to hear some more speculation and suggestions about the TL. After “The World of 2011” I will conclude the TL with a lengthy update about the United States. Cheers!
 
Interesting List, although im wondering why Russia and the Balkans aren't included :(

I think the following should be added
Russia
Balkans
(and atleast as subsections)
Algeria, Tunisia-Tripolitinia, Ethiopia, rest of Africa
 
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