The Franco-Japanse war - A peek into the future.

sharlin

Banned
Somewhere in the Atlantic - 1943

Cutting through the swells of the North Atlantic the warship rumbled as her engines pushed her through the grey/green waves at 26 knots, not her full speed but after her recent refit it was not advisable to push the engines too much, and in the sea conditions it was a safe speed. The ship had a troubled birth, nearly falling victim to economic troubles and treaties, almost remaining a twinkle in her designers eye but politicians and national pride won through.

Of course there were overseas ‘rivals’ to the ship and her sister, but none quite in the same league. The two ships had become the pride of the Royal Navy, the most desired posting a young Tar could get. Both ships had been taken in hand for a refit before the war, the younger sister sailing from the outfitters yards on the day the war was declared, whilst she was off in the Mediterranean her older sister had finished her refit only six months before.

Gone were the dual six inch turrets, in their place was a bevy of 4.5 inch guns like those on the newest carriers, the new 20mm Okirlon cannons dotted the ships superstructure and the ‘black box’ of radar now rested on her masts, extending her eyes further. Two hundred yards astern the newest battleship laid down by the United Kingdom kept pace astern of the flagship, armed with older guns but they still had a fearsome punch.

Smaller, lighter but more modern the flagships consort was fresh out from the fitters yards, some civilians were on board fixing issues deep in her hull and her two forward turrets could be seen training left and right slowly, the tripple 15 inch guns elevating and depressing as they were tested.

Both ships were at action stations, with their targets in the area it was only a matter of time before they were detected on Radar and the battle could begin.

The Saint George’s three turrets were already elevated and trained, the 16 inch rifles loaded and ready. The turrets had given issues when they were built as had their projectiles but the DNC had pressed for a heavier shell and this had solved the barrel wear problems whilst time and effort was needed to fix the faults in the safety interlocks in the then revolutionary triple turrets, the first built for a British battleship. But these teething troubles had been overcome and now were swinging onto the baring of the approaching enemy ships.

Up on the bridge it was rather quiet. Long gone were the heavily armoured conning tower of the Dreadnought era, the bridge was still armoured against cruiser fire but it was so much more spacious.

"Sir, message from the Bismark." The signals Officer said, a smile creasing his usually stern features.
"Message Reads; "Save some for us, happy hunting!"

There were a few chuckles and smiles as the tension on the bridge eased slightly.

"Signal the Bismark this please flags, 'It is not our fault you could not keep up. We will try to leave some pickings for you though.'"

The Rear Admiral turned to the armoured windows, raising his binoculars. "That should get old Fritz's tache in a twirl..any news on Radar?"
"Picking up echos at extreme range Sir! Working in range and speed now Sir."
"Very good, Guns you have permission to open fire once the enemy is in range, signal the Nelson to do. We will engage the lead ship."

Minutes ticked by, the silence on the bridge broken by reports from the gunnery and radar controls.

"Sir we have a fix, reading four, that is four contacts not three as the air boys said, baring and course is correct, range 32500 yards!"

"Looks like the Germans will have some work to do. Guns?"
"They are in range sir, but we'd have to do it with radar."
"Understood. Captain alter course to open up our A Arcs and commence fire as soon possible."

The bridge was filled with a hubub as orders were passed to the relevant stations, several decks down the ships helmsman put the wheel over a few degrees and the big battlecruiser began her turn.

"Target in range!"
"Shoot!"

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A proper update for the main story is coming, i'm working at it when I go home, but I wanted to write this.
 
If I had to guess, the future developed along Anglo-German block vs Franco-Russian one. You are giving us a glimpse of the alternate WW2 wher Germans and British fight against resurgent France? Am I right, am I? Or at least near?
 

sharlin

Banned
Glad ye approve and you're quite right Shabby. I'm still working on the big battle between the French and Japanese fleets in the main story and should have it up soon ish. And you're right, folks love them G3 Battlecruisers :p
 
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sharlin

Banned
In the post war world the nations involved rebuilt their battered armies and fleets. The United States that had remained out of the war despite both sides trying to get them to intervene was in the enviable position of not having spent a penny or life in the 1916 - 1919 War and had made a considerable fortune from selling arms to the combattants.

The United States Navy (USN) had continued to expand in the pre-war and post war period and this only accelerated with the failure of the Washington Naval treaty which both France, England, Japan and finally Germany refused to ratify as the treaty would in essence make the USN the worlds second most powerful navy tied with Germany.

Although powerful the USN was a lopsided force. The politicians and Admirals focus on Dreadnoughts at the expense of almost everything else left the fleet denuded of destroyers and cruisers to screen the fleet apart from the aging and now obsolete Armoured Cruisers built in the early 1900s and a small number of small and inadequate destroyers to screen the magnificent battleships that populated the fleet.

In 1926 after the failure of the Washington Conference a new fleet plan was laid out that would alter this skewed balance of warships and escorts to make a more balanced fleet. Yet the Battleship admirals still got their way after reports about the latest developments from overseas came across their desks.
Calls to build a suitable reply to overseas ships to secure and safeguard the American seaboard and overseas possessions lead to the resurrection of the 'Tillman' studies instituted by the now dead Senator Tillman. He had called for a 'maximum' battleship, the biggest, best warship built capable of passing through the Panama canal.

With the economy booming and showing no sign of stopping both at home and world wide the USN was authorised to begin construction on over one hundred new destroyers that would replace those in service as well as light cruisers and the new heavy cruiser to replace the old armoured cruisers and act as heavy escorts and destroyer squadron leaders. This massive construction plan was impressive enough but its centerpeice was two battleships that had a drumroll of superlatives that were lauded in the press when the USS Iowa and USS Indiana were laid down.

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Weighing in at a staggering 80000 tonnes the huge ships were the largest in the world at 975 feet long, the most heavily armed with five turrets carrying a total of fifteen 18 inch guns and protected by up to 18 inches of armour on the turrets and 16 inches on the main belt. These massive vessels, the largest warships afloat could steam at 25 knots, propelled by their new turbo-electric engines. To build the monsters, new drydocks were required and alterations to the Norfolk and Phillidelphia Navy yards delayed laying down until 1928.

Construction continued with both ships being launched symbolically on the Fourth of July 1933. Upon completion of fitting out and trials the Iowa became the fleet Flagship of the Pacific fleet whilst the Indiana joined the Atlantic fleet and sailed to England to take part in the Spithead review at the Coronation of King George the Sixth in 1938 alongside her smaller (but what ship wasn't) Foreign contemporaries including the HMS Saint George the SMS Kaiser Wilhelm III and the IJN Togo.

Although massively armed and gargantuan in aspect the America class proved less successful than planned. Their massive size limited the number of harbours they could dock in and they always had to return to their builders yards for refits, unlike smaller vessels that could use other naval bases the American titans always had to return home. The layout of their turrets and use of sponson mounted secondary mounted guns meant that when due to be refitted the big ships did not accept modernisation as readily as other vessels. As a visiting British Admiral said to his staff after returning to his Flagship; "Magnificent things, wasteful and inefficient but magnificent to behold."

1* A photocopy of the initial plans of the Iowa Class that were 'acquired' in a scandal that only came to light in 1999. The plans were copied by a member of the British diplomatic staff and sent to the Admiralty. It cost the young man his career and a very quiet diplomatic brewhaha behind the scenes. The plans were promptly returned to the United States with an appology. After being copied in London of course.
 
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Weighing in at a staggering 80000 tonnes the huge ships were the largest in the world at 975 feet long, the most heavily armed with five turrets carrying a total of fifteen 18 inch guns and protected by up to 18 inches of armour on the turrets and 16 inches on the main belt. .

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Sharlin, if you don't write this we may just have to keelhaul you ... ;)

Best,

Chris
 
I'm fairly sure you picked the wrong names, with the exception of USS Kearsarge every us BB has been named after states

Either South Dakota and Indiana or North Carolina and Washington would likely be the names, depending on whether to SoDaks got built or not

It could be that they decided to change the naming scheme, but I don't rate that as likely
 
I'm fairly sure you picked the wrong names, with the exception of USS Kearsarge every us BB has been named after states

Either South Dakota and Indiana or North Carolina and Washington would likely be the names, depending on whether to SoDaks got built or not

It could be that they decided to change the naming scheme, but I don't rate that as likely

Agreed- since a statute enacted shortly after the War of 1812, by law, every single battleship built by the USN has had to have been named after a state of the union until such point as the USN has more battleships than the US has states (unlikely, as at that point, it'd require a fleet of at least 49 battleships!), with any exceptions having to be specifically approved of through an act of Congress, with the aforementioned Kearsarge being the only exception, the authorization bill that bought that class of pre-dread being voted upon shortly after the ACW screw sloop was wrecked in the Carribbean, & Congress decided naming the next battleship after her would be a fitting memorial to that part of the ACW.

If USN building programs & designs generally track OTL with some exceptions for the butterflies, South Dakota, Indiana, & North Carolina would all have been units of the South Dakota (1) class ordered under the 1916 program, while Washington would have been the fourth unit of the Colorado-class, but OTL, cancelled at 75% & sunk as a target in weapons tests under the WNT.

United States would be considered a good name for a carrier or battlecruiser (carriers & the original battlecruisers were named after historic warships & battles), & one of the Lexington-class was to bear that name; Liberty wouldn't fit, since as a name, it didn't have any significance (other than the notorious spy ship), it was only used by a ARW gunboat on Lake Champlain & a Hog Islander bought into service as a transport- Independence would be more appropriate, except that these ships aren't being classed as battlecruisers.

For names, I'd look at pre-dreadnought names or those of the 12" dreadnoughts that'd probably have been junked by now and haven't already been recycled for newer construction.
 

sharlin

Banned
Good point, I forgot the USN's naming convention! *grabs for All the worlds battleships and battlecruisers*


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Wow, so US making freakin' floating fortresses of 1984 fame. It will take some time for air component of world navies to catch up with this development. Carriers might not become viable as backbone of fleets well into 50's or 60's depending on the development of jet and rocket technology. Those behemoths would be entirely invulnerable to aerial attack, would they not?
 

sharlin

Banned
The Tillman designs were the ultimate expression of the US's 'Standard' designs just turned up to 11, then tearing the nob off and eating it. Designed during a time when air power was not seen as a threat although the large ammount of upper deck space does leave lots of room for anti-aircraft weaponry once aircraft become a threat.

In my Franco-Japanese war TL and the events that follow airpower does not get neglected at sea but it does take a back seat and battleships are seen as the arm of decision but perhaps there might be some events that force that mindset to change...

The Tillman's are not immune to air strikes although against air attack from aircraft of the period they would probably take an obscene amount of damage. Their deck is 5 -7 inches thick which offers considerable resistance against bombs in the 1920s and 1930s if not outright immunity to being peirced but the upper works could still be mauled by bomb hits.

Think of them as a Yamato, very very tough but not invulnerable.
 
So the battleship is supreme idea will remain dogma and airpower as the decider will be an even bigger shock for all concerned.

"Did we just sink 2 18" battleships?"
"Yes sir, I believe we did."
"The Admiralty's not going to like this."
"But they weren't our battleships sir."
"Precisely."
 
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