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I think the English and Dutch would switch places with the Pilgrims and Puritans near the Hudson and the Dutch in New England.I'll throw my hat for Option #1.
I wonder what'll become of New England without the Purtains/Pilgrams.
Alternatively, the Dutch could invite the Pilgrims and Puritans to settle in the New Netherlands colony, maybe in somewhere like Long Island.I think the English and Dutch would switch places with the Pilgrims and Puritans near the Hudson and the Dutch in New England.
Wasn’t the Hudson Bay Area the intended destination for the Mayflower though? So they ultimately would get to it before the Dutch could.Alternatively, the Dutch could invite the Pilgrims and Puritans to settle in the New Netherlands colony, maybe in somewhere like Long Island.
Wasn’t the Hudson Bay Area the intended destination for the Mayflower though? So they ultimately would get to it before the Dutch could.
I guess your TL is a little blessed then. A world of lukewarm Republics and Constitutional Monarchies, it seems.On another note, I feel like this timeline has been a bit utopian. I mean, we haven't had a major war since the 1910s, no horrifying dictatorships like Hitler, Mao or Stalin, no mass atrocities like the Holocaust or Holodomor. I obviously don't like dictatorships, wars and genocides, and if I'm being honest, that's probably why this world hasn't seen many of them. It's all been a trend towards moderate Republics or Constitutional Monarchies, without any extremist totalitarian ideology arising. Granted, there are parts of the world that I haven't talked about in a while, and I've thought that some sort of major war in East Asia is likely, but I'm not sure what the war would be over. As for South Africa, I'm sure a civil war there would be full of atrocities and bloodshed, so that might be a sizable dose of dark realism for this TL, if that's the option that wins the poll. It's hard to write about dark subjects, but I'm writing a history TL, so that's just what I'll have to do.
Which I find unrealistic. Surely there has to be some equivalent to North Korea out there.I guess your TL is a little blessed then. A world of lukewarm Republics and Constitutional Monarchies, it seems.
The Pilgrims would probably still name their first settlement Plymouth, as that's the port in England they left from. I'd expect a Pilgrim-settled NYC to still become a huge metropolis, simply due to its advantageous geographic position at the mouth of the Hudson River and with having a fantastic natural harbor. Same with a Dutch New Amsterdam, although I don't think it'd wind up as big as OTL's NYC.@PGSBHurricane @Gabingston
If the Puritans/Pilgrims did settle in the Hudson River Valley, could we be seeing the alternate development of ATL NYC?
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If the Puritans/Pilgrims did settle in the Hudson River Valley, could we be seeing the alternate development of ATL NYC?
The issue is that, only the Puritans would permanently settle in OTL New England, because that area is very barren, so folks who go to the New World for economic reasons would abandon that place. So ITTL, the OTL New England would be contested between the English in Hudson valley and the French in Canada.The Pilgrims would probably still name their first settlement Plymouth, as that's the port in England they left from. I'd expect a Pilgrim-settled NYC to still become a huge metropolis, simply due to its advantageous geographic position at the mouth of the Hudson River and with having a fantastic natural harbor. Same with a Dutch New Amsterdam, although I don't think it'd wind up as big as OTL's NYC.
Keep in mind that the Dutch were the first Europeans in Connecticut (courtesy of Adriaen Block, whom Block Island in Rhode Island was named for) and arguably created the first permanent European establishment at the Fort of Good Hope (what would later become Hartford, CT) in 1633. So maybe it isn't so implausible for the Dutch to get to New England or at least parts of it.
I don't think this would've been the best location for a colony.
They were aiming for the Hudson River, basically OTL's New York City.
It would be much smaller than OTL New Netherlands, because:Keep in mind that the Dutch were the first Europeans in Connecticut (courtesy of Adriaen Block, whom Block Island in Rhode Island was named for) and arguably created the first permanent European establishment at the Fort of Good Hope (what would later become Hartford, CT) in 1633. So maybe it isn't so implausible for the Dutch to get to New England or at least parts of it.
The issue is that, only the Puritans would permanently settle in OTL New England, because that area is very barren, so folks who go to the New World for economic reasons would abandon that place. So ITTL, the OTL New England would be contested between the English in Hudson valley and the French in Canada.
It can be just as big as OTL NYC, as long as it is a part of a powerful state/empire like the OTL US or the OTL British Empire, the Hudson Vally region is just perfect for a megacity.
Keep in mind that the Dutch were the first Europeans in Connecticut (courtesy of Adriaen Block, whom Block Island in Rhode Island was named for) and arguably created the first permanent European establishment at the Fort of Good Hope (what would later become Hartford, CT) in 1633. So maybe it isn't so implausible for the Dutch to get to New England or at least parts of it.
It would be much smaller than OTL New Netherlands, because:
1) The Pilgrims were unusually large as a group at that time (20,000 - 40,000).
2) The Dutch Republic was the best place to live in the world at that time, so why emigrate?
3) It was a barren land, and nowhere near as good as OTL NYC for a port in terms of location.
At this point, you should do what you like. Sorry if we managed to push you away from this idea.My plan was for OTL's New England to be split between the French and the Dutch.
No, you guys didn't. If anything you're helping me flesh out ideas. I'm still pretty split on what to do.At this point, you should do what you like. Sorry if we managed to push you away from this idea.
Link?I have an AO3 account. I’ll just migrate my stuff there.