AHC: 49-state sweep for George Wallace.

Richard Nixon won all the states but Massachusetts in 1972. Ronald Reagan won all the states but Minnesota in 1984.

The challenge is to get George Corley Wallace Jr. to win a similar landslide at any presidential election after 1968. That is the challenge.
 
A generally screwed up election where Wallace manages to win support among Southerners, Conservatives and Working class Whites while simultaneously the other candidates manage to eat away at each other enough to ensure that neither wins sufficient numbers because they are at each other's expense, and Wallace thereby wins by default. Helped most of all if you have multiple strong third parties.

It would be an extraordinary circumstance and an overall clusterfuck.
 
Richard Nixon won all the states but Massachusetts in 1972. Ronald Reagan won all the states but Minnesota in 1984.

The challenge is to get George Corley Wallace Jr. to win a similar landslide at any presidential election after 1968. That is the challenge.

The Democrats do an 1860 in a time when the Republicans are doing well.
 
Richard Nixon won all the states but Massachusetts in 1972. Ronald Reagan won all the states but Minnesota in 1984.

The challenge is to get George Corley Wallace Jr. to win a similar landslide at any presidential election after 1968. That is the challenge.

Ack! What did the universe ever do to you to deserve such a thing???
 
I don't see much difficulty in the challenge TBH. Nixon was basically a quieter Wallace in 1968, while Reagan was more clearly the Republican Wallace that year. Had Wallace become a Republican in 1964, it's not too hard to fill him into either Nixon or Reagan's shoes.
 
Richard Nixon won all the states but Massachusetts in 1972. Ronald Reagan won all the states but Minnesota in 1984.

The challenge is to get George Corley Wallace Jr. to win a similar landslide at any presidential election after 1968. That is the challenge.

Sorry TB, but unless Wallace undergoes the sort of profound conversion that radically reforms a person's core beliefs, can demonstrate that he has embraced a new worldview, can win the support of those who previously despised him without losing the support of those who previously praised him, and can avoid being shot/killed, such a landslide is NOT going to happen.
 
I don't see much difficulty in the challenge TBH. Nixon was basically a quieter Wallace in 1968, while Reagan was more clearly the Republican Wallace that year. Had Wallace become a Republican in 1964, it's not too hard to fill him into either Nixon or Reagan's shoes.

Filling Nixon or Reagan's shoes isn't the challenge. The challenge is to get the man who in 1963 famously declared, "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!" to win 49 of the 50 states in a post-1968 presidential election. It would take more than simply toning down his unabashed racism and taking a step back away from the segregationist policies he championed through out his political career for this to happen.
 
Filling Nixon or Reagan's shoes isn't the challenge. The challenge is to get the man who in 1963 famously declared, "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!" to win 49 of the 50 states in a post-1968 presidential election. It would take more than simply toning down his unabashed racism and taking a step back away from the segregationist policies he championed through out his political career for this to happen.
Oh? What about Wallace beginning to attract the Muskie vote in 1968 (before LeMay scared them off), Wallace being the Democratic nominee Nixon was a afraid of most in 1972, and Wallace winning his later gubernatorial elections with firm black support? Ol' George was a much more wily and attractive politician than we give him credit for.

Nixon and Reagan occupied a similar niche to Wallace racially (especially Reagan), and they got 49 states. If you asked someone in 1968 the difference between Reagan and Wallace, particularly, they would have said "the party label" more than anything else. But the thought of Reagan being (as Japhy calls him) "George Wallace With Better Hair" sounds ludicrous today, except that Reagan's makeover over the 1970s and 1980s is remembered in his image today, while Wallace's makeover during that period is forgotten.
 
Well arguably if he isn't shot and doesn't have the connected health problems his moderation during the 70's could help make it work.

Perhaps the GOP narrowly wins in 1976, then Wallace as the more moderate Democrat wins in 1980 or 1984 and then goes on to ride the economy to a landslide in 88 or 92.
 
He was an opportunist. He guesses right about what will happen and does not run as a racist, likely loses 1963 but is a progressive governor 1966.

Humphrey's running mate, during 1968 Nixon's appalling behaviour in undermining Vietnam peace negotiations is revealed

Agnew's criminality also exposed

Humphrey dies in October 1972 and republicans run someone from the far right
 
He was an opportunist. He guesses right about what will happen and does not run as a racist, likely loses 1963 but is a progressive governor 1966.

Humphrey's running mate, during 1968 Nixon's appalling behaviour in undermining Vietnam peace negotiations is revealed

Agnew's criminality also exposed

Humphrey dies in October 1972 and republicans run someone from the far right

I like this idea. From now on, the PoD has to be in the Sixties or later, that's all.
 
Scenario I: Wallace Takes Nixon's Shoes

POD: Goldwater ends up embracing the more segregationist crowd about a month or two earlier in his campaign, enough to accept George Wallace's offer to be his running mate. (IOTL, Wallace toyed with switching in September 1964, but after Thurmond announced it he stopped; here Thurmond does not switch for similar egotistical reasons.)

In 1968, Wallace announces a run for the Republican nomination for the presidency. Initially considered an underdog candidate, he is ignored in favor of Richard Nixon, George Romney, and Nelson Rockefeller until his presence becomes too large. Wallace ends up winning the nomination on the third ballot, largely due to the convention being influenced by Goldwater four years prior.

Wallace easily crushes Democratic candidate Hubert Humphrey.

George Wallace / John Volpe 56.95% 456
Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie 42.72% 82
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George C. Wallace is reelected with the largest popular mandate in history over Democratic candidate George McGovern.

George Wallace / Mark Hatfield 62.09% 521
George McGovern / Sargent Shriver 37.52% 82

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POD: Goldwater ends up embracing the more segregationist crowd about a month or two earlier in his campaign, enough to accept George Wallace's offer to be his running mate. (IOTL, Wallace toyed with switching in September 1964, but after Thurmond announced it he stopped; here Thurmond does not switch for similar egotistical reasons.)

In 1968, Wallace announces a run for the Republican nomination for the presidency. Initially considered an underdog candidate, he is ignored in favor of Richard Nixon, George Romney, and Nelson Rockefeller until his presence becomes too large. Wallace ends up winning the nomination on the third ballot, largely due to the convention being influenced by Goldwater four years prior.

Wallace easily crushes Democratic candidate Hubert Humphrey.

George Wallace / John Volpe 56.95% 456
Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie 42.72% 82
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George C. Wallace is reelected with the largest popular mandate in history over Democratic candidate George McGovern.

George Wallace / Mark Hatfield 62.09% 521
George McGovern / Sargent Shriver 37.52% 82

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No... please no... :eek:
 
Scenario II: Wallace Takes Reagan's Shoes

No... please no... :eek:
Oh, I'm just getting warmed up!

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POD: Wallace switches to the Republican Party in 1964, the same day as Strom Thurmond. Thurmond narrowly holds the South (who favored Wallace or Governor Ronald Reagan) for Nixon at the 1968 convention, and he wins the first ballot by a narrow margin, and the general election by a healthy one.

Wallace failed to defeat incumbent, unelected President Reagan in 1976, but did manage to easily best him in the 1980 primaries. John Anderson emerged as the primary opposition in the Republican primaries, and would drop out to pursue an independent candidacy in the fall.

George Wallace / Donald Rumsfeld 49.23% 459
Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale 40.72% 79
John Anderson / Patrick Lucey 8.40% 0

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In his first term Wallace survived an assassination attempt, took a hard line against labor unions, launched the modern War on Drugs, and ordered an invasion of Grenada. In the 1984 election, President Wallace easily managed to paint the Democratic ticket of Senator Gary Hart and Governor Tom Bradley as a second McGovern and soft on crime, respectively, and won the largest landslide in American history. Upon victory, Wallace proclaimed that it was "Morning in America, now and tomorrow."

George Wallace / Donald Rumsfeld 61.81% 535
Gary Hart / Tom Bradley 37.52% 3

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Wallace's second term was primarily marked by foreign matters, such as the ending of the Cold War, the 1986 bombing of Libya, and the revelation of the Iran-Contra affair. Publicly describing the Soviet Union as an "evil empire," he supported anti-communist movements worldwide and spent his first term forgoing the strategy of détente by ordering a massive military buildup in an arms race with the USSR. Reagan negotiated with Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev, culminating in the INF Treaty and the decrease of both countries' nuclear arsenals.

Wallace left office in 1989. Ten years later, the former president disclosed that he had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease earlier in the year. He died in 2012 at the age of 93. A conservative icon, he ranks highly in public opinion polls of U.S. Presidents and is credited for generating an ideological renaissance on the American political right.

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Democratic Wallace

But surely, does Wallace really need to be a Republican to achieve such a victory? Can't we do this with a POD in the 1970s? Sure, why not?

POD: Mo Udall wins the New Hampshire primary, draining Carter's Iowa momentum. Eventually, Wallace emerges as the Democratic nominee after a long primary battle. Wallace comes out of the Democratic National Convention polling 62% of the vote. The Ford campaign performs as well as it did in the primaries, but only a Truman could recover from a gap that big.

George Wallace / Mo Udall 57.41% 533
Gerald Ford / Howard Baker 40.05% 5

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But surely, does Wallace really need to be a Republican to achieve such a victory? Can't we do this with a POD in the 1970s? Sure, why not?

POD: Mo Udall wins the New Hampshire primary, draining Carter's Iowa momentum. Eventually, Wallace emerges as the Democratic nominee after a long primary battle. Wallace comes out of the Democratic National Convention polling 62% of the vote. The Ford campaign performs as well as it did in the primaries, but only a Truman could recover from a gap that big.

George Wallace / Mo Udall 57.41% 533
Gerald Ford / Howard Baker 40.05% 5

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I demand one for 1968 as a third party!! :D
 
But surely, does Wallace really need to be a Republican to achieve such a victory? Can't we do this with a POD in the 1970s? Sure, why not?

POD: Mo Udall wins the New Hampshire primary, draining Carter's Iowa momentum. Eventually, Wallace emerges as the Democratic nominee after a long primary battle. Wallace comes out of the Democratic National Convention polling 62% of the vote. The Ford campaign performs as well as it did in the primaries, but only a Truman could recover from a gap that big.

George Wallace / Mo Udall 57.41% 533
Gerald Ford / Howard Baker 40.05% 5

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This needs a timeline.
 
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