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  1. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    Dishonest -no. Repulsive - yes. Rubbish - no. The problem is that most modern people can't get beyond the moral objection to look at how slavery worked in practice. The only good exqminqtion is Fogel: http://www.amazon.com/Without-Consent-Contract-American-Slavery/dp/0393312194

  2. Russian involvement in the American Civil War?

    They're broke, in the middle of social chaos, at war (with Poland) and facing a possible war with Britain, France, Austria and the Ottomans. Intervening in the US will have serious consequences....

  3. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    No, they are different. Under slavery the African-American was a valuable resource and ideas of mistreating them, murdering them etc. were taboo. They were slaves and they were treated as property, but were not brutalised and typically had a higher standard of living than the white lower...

  4. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    They ultimately derive from the northern black codes that spread south after reconstruction. http://www.slavenorth.com/exclusion.htm Things got a lot worse for the African-American population when northern ideas of race spread south. The BBC documentary Racism - A History covered this in...

  5. Civil War tactics

    Or knows how these terms are derived in the first place. In this case the wellsrping is http://www.jstor.org/openurl?volume=25&date=1961&spage=57&issn=00263931&issue=2

  6. A Confederate Navy after independence?

    They tended to be peace Democrats.

  7. Civil War tactics

    Mahonists will stick to Attack and Die of course, but that's like sticking to a flat Earth theory. PS: Look at Hattaway, Jones et al. for an actual direct challenge and dismantling of the above's argument: http://www.amazon.com/Why-South-Lost-Civil-War/dp/0820313963

  8. Civil War tactics

    The only way to move in line is with the "touch of elbows", or formation and coherence simply disappears and any fool with a bayonet or sabre will cut through you like a knife through hot butter. Two deep with elbows touching is actually quite a loose formation, when the French and Prussians...

  9. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    Where is the slightest suggestion of that? :confused: Oh, ca. 180,000 African-Americans were enlisted, not 300,000. Many of these were sold into the army by their masters (or some-one claiming to be as such) for the bounty or were simply kidnapped as something resembling military slaves. Not...

  10. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    That's a very rose tinted view of the end of "slavery" in the Empire (excluding India etc., where it was still allowed). Abolishion was a failure as conceived. Believing Adam Smith's notions it was assumed that freed of shackles the plantation workers would work harder for more pay. However man...

  11. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    The idea of a strong abolishionist movement in Britain isn't really true. There was a "lunatic fringe" with Cobden and Bright leading, but it was just that - a fringe. Mainstream opinion in Britain (and even more so in Ireland) was heavily in favour of the Confederacy, who were seen as a...

  12. Bob Lee's Body

    Very, very intrigued. Sub'd.

  13. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    No-one suggested anything about Britain, and no-one is discussing the morality of slavery. My point still stands; just because the CSA has black slaves will not make that nation an international pariah any more than those same slaves made the USA a pariah. Your argument fails at the slightest...

  14. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    A slave state is still a slave state even if it's name is "The United States of America".

  15. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    This simply isn't true. No-one objected to trading with the *USA* before 1861 and no-one would object to trading with the CSA after independence for the same reasons. You sometimes forget the USA was a slave state, and that OTL it remained a slave state de jure until 1866, and de facto (with...

  16. Confederate Industrialization and Imperialism

    Some contend the Confederacy was incapable of industrialising. Nonsense. The problem was not any opposition to industrialisation, but rather competition from the northeastern states and a free market economy undercutting local manufacturing. The vision of the Confederacy was industrialised and...

  17. A Confederate Navy after independence?

    Did The Hon. J. W. Fortescue ever write about them? Because I quoted his "The County Lieutenancies and the Army 1803-14" in that discussion, and if don't agree with them then take it up with his corpse.

  18. A Confederate Navy after independence?

    Something I never quite understood is this notion that the Confederate central government was "weak", which mainly seems to be neo-libertarian wishful thinking (but they shout the loudest). In actuality the Richmond government was significantly more powerful and centralised than the Washington...

  19. A Confederate Navy after independence?

    The Confederacy of the 1860's is a fairly rich state, and once a barrier (even a weak one) is up giving some protection of light industry from the northeastern states they will industrialise apace. Majewski has prettymuch destroyed the "American Heritage" idea of a threadbare CSA.

  20. Robert E. Lee as a General?

    This claim I find extremely bizarre. Jackson was probably the worst Corps commander Lee ever had under him. Lee certainly did not consult much with Jackson who had a fairly consistent record of failure. If looking for a reason Lee lost at Gettysburg one must look elsewhere. Silly...
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