I wonder if there was any possible means of preventing a conservative uprising from having occurred in the 1980s and the right-wing branch of the Republican party fizzling out, with the moderate branch remaining prominent.
Reagan defeats Ford in '76, wins the election, and takes the fall for the economy and issues in Iran leading to a Democrat in '80.I wonder if there was any possible means of preventing a conservative uprising from having occurred in the 1980s and the right-wing branch of the Republican party fizzling out, with the moderate branch remaining prominent.
problem is, the American people really wanted a change back then... if Reagan dies, the things that led to his election won't die with him, and we would get someone else with a similar bent (although without Reagan's charisma perhaps). To avoid the whole 'lurch to the right', we really need to look at things other than what's happening in America... the world had seemed like a really ugly place to us back then... Russians in Afghanistan, hostages in Iran, etc. Add to that a struggling economy and Carter's seemingly weak leadership, and it's hardly surprising that we got what we got. I think it would take a better situation overseas as well as at home to avoid Reagan. Carter would have to be seen to be more competent, the economy would have to be better, and we can't have those disasters in the Middle East as well. Basically, it would take a lot...I mean if Reagan dies in 1981...
That's why the "Reagan wins '76" approach is the best. Now all of those problems that dragged down Carter are now dragging down Reagan. His policies led to a violent revolution in Iran and an oil price spike, a recession at home and tons of people losing their jobs and livelihoods, nuclear tensions with the Soviets worse than anything seen since '62...sure, he has charisma and all that, but in the face of those headwinds, I suspect he ends up doing a squeaker of a race but loses to the Democratic candidate in 1980. At best a very narrow win for him. So the Reagan Revolution gets aborted because it doesn't seem to be working, and everything goes back to "normal" for a time.problem is, the American people really wanted a change back then... if Reagan dies, the things that led to his election won't die with him, and we would get someone else with a similar bent (although without Reagan's charisma perhaps). To avoid the whole 'lurch to the right', we really need to look at things other than what's happening in America... the world had seemed like a really ugly place to us back then... Russians in Afghanistan, hostages in Iran, etc. Add to that a struggling economy and Carter's seemingly weak leadership, and it's hardly surprising that we got what we got. I think it would take a better situation overseas as well as at home to avoid Reagan. Carter would have to be seen to be more competent, the economy would have to be better, and we can't have those disasters in the Middle East as well. Basically, it would take a lot...
That's why the "Reagan wins '76" approach is the best. Now all of those problems that dragged down Carter are now dragging down Reagan. His policies led to a violent revolution in Iran and an oil price spike, a recession at home and tons of people losing their jobs and livelihoods, nuclear tensions with the Soviets worse than anything seen since '62...sure, he has charisma and all that, but in the face of those headwinds, I suspect he ends up doing a squeaker of a race but loses to the Democratic candidate in 1980. At best a very narrow win for him. So the Reagan Revolution gets aborted because it doesn't seem to be working, and everything goes back to "normal" for a time.
In the end, though, I suspect the Revolution is only delayed, not prevented, by this outcome. The Republicans had, over the past decade and a half or so, gradually been moving towards Reagan's positions, and IOTL continued moving that way. This kind of movement continued when they won (1994, 2000) and lost (2008, 1996). It continued when times were good (2000) and bad (2008). Some Republican is going to be elected President eventually, and that Republican is probably going to be pushed into having similar policies of deregulation, tax cuts, and so on. And it's unlikely that there'll be two Republican Presidents in a row who end up elected into a big mess beyond their control that makes them look ineffectual, so when they implement their policies they're going to look successful. And then you have the Reagan Revolution--except maybe it'll be the Dole Revolution, or the Bush Revolution, or the Romney Revolution, or something like that. You can prevent it striking in the 1980s, probably, but not forever.
True, biut as mentioning above by Apollo, this could at least be a way to discredit the rise of that form of conservatism and if someone sharp enough on the Democrats ran on the liberalism of the WW2 time along with greater progressive policies tapped into that amongst the 80s, I imagine it would be a good decade for the Democrats.
You mean Ted Kennedy, and the Dream that will Never Die.
The Titan II missile accident on September 19th 1980 leads to a full-yield 9 MT explosion (which should have been impossible, is probably some sort of fundamental flaw in the arming circuits, and means ALL our W-53 and B-53 warheads need to be taken offline immediately). Thousands dead (including Walter Mondale whose plane was leaving Little Rock that night), millions homeless as groundburst fallout leaves huge exclusion zone across Arkansas/Oklahoma/Kansas. Carter and Reagan both agree to suspend campaigning; Reagan wins but it's a very hollow victory. Severe economic downturn, Pershing II missiles in Europe are right out, and the U.S. is basically headed for another full decade of even worse malaise.
Then on February 20th, 1981, due to heavy fog and pilot error Argentine Airlines flight 342 hits the North Tower of the World Trade Center, leading to a fiery collapse. The South Tower remains standing but is so badly damaged it'll have to be brought down ... somehow (civil engineers have no idea). Until then, Lower Manhattan remains cordoned off.
Then on March 30th, Reagan is shot and killed by John Hinckley (who had some sort of batshit insane plan to marry Jodie Foster and flee the collapse of America together).
God help Acting President George Bush... Meanwhile, absolutely nobody gives a crap about the culture wars at this point. They're worried whether they'll have jobs tomorrow, or get gunned down by a crazy person, or get some sort of radiation poisoning ten years down the road.
This sounds like the prelude to a cyberpunk future in the 90s. Maybe instead of Bush, Reagan took on Rumsfeld for VP?The Titan II missile accident on September 19th 1980 leads to a full-yield 9 MT explosion (which should have been impossible, is probably some sort of fundamental flaw in the arming circuits, and means ALL our W-53 and B-53 warheads need to be taken offline immediately). Thousands dead (including Walter Mondale whose plane was leaving Little Rock that night), millions homeless as groundburst fallout leaves huge exclusion zone across Arkansas/Oklahoma/Kansas. Carter and Reagan both agree to suspend campaigning; Reagan wins but it's a very hollow victory. Severe economic downturn, Pershing II missiles in Europe are right out, and the U.S. is basically headed for another full decade of even worse malaise.
Then on February 20th, 1981, due to heavy fog and pilot error Argentine Airlines flight 342 hits the North Tower of the World Trade Center, leading to a fiery collapse. The South Tower remains standing but is so badly damaged it'll have to be brought down ... somehow (civil engineers have no idea). Until then, Lower Manhattan remains cordoned off.
Then on March 30th, Reagan is shot and killed by John Hinckley (who had some sort of batshit insane plan to marry Jodie Foster and flee the collapse of America together).
God help Acting President George Bush... Meanwhile, absolutely nobody gives a crap about the culture wars at this point. They're worried whether they'll have jobs tomorrow, or get gunned down by a crazy person, or get some sort of radiation poisoning ten years down the road.
California passed Prop 13, which limited property tax increases, in 1978. I think this gives you a sense of the national mood and how difficult this would be.