OK. Sorry for venting on you like that. I get a bit touchy when it comes to Max.
The Grand Duchy of the West - A Valois-Burgundian TL
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No need to appologise at all. We all have our favorites. Use the pm for the next time.
Bruh that would be very bad lol, and it makes sense that the twins don't wanna do incest lol. I defo didn't think it that way, but the clarification is good.
Lmao, my mind defo jumps everywhere a little too much lol, but I'm glad you appreciate it!
Tbf what're you planning with the Kalmar union? Do you plan on them to fall apart as per otl?
I just wanted to clear up for everyone that the Grand Duchess isn't sleeping with her brother. Philip just happen to be the love of both their lives and the marriage was especially desired as it provided the opportunity for the Duke and the Guelders twins to remain together.
This should provided the answer to your that question. However, Christian's hypotetical heirs might retain the throne of Denmark and Norway. Or maybe Norway will become a independent kingdom much earlier? Christian is currently betrothed to Margaretha of Brabant, the eldest daughter of Philip and Philippa. She's due to leave for Copenhagen in 1505 with a few ladies in waiting in her entourage.
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Yeah I think it makes a lot of sense because everyone wins in this case.
Tbf sorry about that! I'm sleepy asf so blegh. I'm defo curious about where the duchy stops expanding tho.
Its a perfectly functional marriage. The court are still curious why Philip doesn't have a mistress or two, especially whenever Philippa is pregnant and unavaliable. I can say that their son is more liberal with his affection towards the ladies.
Well, there is the question of Utrecht, the Prince-Bishopric of Utrecht (still mostly under Burgundian control), Cleves and Mark, Frisia and Groningen. I can say that Arnold of Brabant (Philip's third son) will make a spectacularly good marriage. Plus Christian and Philip has a common interest both in Frisia and to weaken the Hansa. And then there are wars with France possible awaiting to happen. I need to introduce Charles of Lorraine in a moment of splendour.
The Stockholm Bloodbath will happen as otl and Sweden will become a independent kingdom as well. Its celebration for 500 years of Independence in my country and the king also celebrates 50 years on the throne. I worked for the royal palaces for three years and I'm cheering on my team here!
Hey, being loyal while your wife is pregnant is a good thing right?
Ooh that's very exciting indeed. I'm defo hyped for Charles of Lorraine especially as he is the bane of France of his era much like his grandfather of otl, and I am very interested in seeing how France would be affected.
Ah that makes sense.
I'm defo interested in seeing how Denmark and Sweden interact, especially as Sweden was quite powerful during the early modern era.
Considering it's 1500 at this point what're your thoughts on colonisation? Considering that Brabant/Netherlands is intimately tied in with colonisation I am curious how you'd tackle colonisation.
Its definitely a positive virtue to some couples. Philippa is happy that her brother gets to be with their love as well.
Charles of Lorraine is gonna have a spectacular BDE moment later. And its not gonna be good for France.
Long Live the Vasa Dynasty I say! *waves flag of sweden* However, I can say that the Erik XIV mess is gonna be butterflied. *glares at Karin Månsdotter* Philippa of Guelders are gonna live to see the Kalmar Union break and the worry for her eldest daughter is not gonna be good for her health.
Colonisation for the moment are in Portugal and Spain. But the Netherlands will get into the game later. It will happen after 1517 as Philip's son Philippe will focus more on explorations after his father's death. Philip will spend his energy expanding and maintaining the Duchy.
To be fair he benefited greatly from his bastard half-uncles and great uncles during his time. His son however will have a bastard or two...or five or seven.
Now that is good. I defo hope Lorraine can stave off France and a weaker France is always very interesting and good to everyone else.
Tbf I don't think Karin mansdotter is bad at all from her actions, but Erik being insane is defo something.
Ah that makes sense as Phillip would be focused on colonisation as further expansion in Europe becomes hard and the next best thing is to colonise and build something in the Americas.
I defo hope we see details about how Dutch colonialism, but which areas would Brabant colonise?
Lorraine is gonna survive for a while. And Charles VIII isn't gonna like the outcome of meeting him.
Karin Månsdotter isn't the worst thing that happened, but Gustav Vasa is gonna marry someone else in this TL. Perhaps.
I don't know, but I imagine they will be interested in north america mayhaps. And some places in Asia.
Ooh now that's quite nice indeed.
Hmm so you're thinking about New Amsterdam/York? I could see them colonising north Brazil, South Africa and SEA in general too.
Do you think they'll have a different colonisation structure in general where they'll put exiles send criminals in their colonies?
No, but Philip is definitely eyeing those realms. You see what will happen.
I think this is also more to the liking of Adriaan, rather than ending as a pope in a very hostile Rome.
Most likely he can do more to fight the corruption, nepotism and decadence in the Church and with this reducing the posibilities of (religious based) civil war in the Low countries later during the 16 century.
I am not sure but I thought he was a follower of the "true faith'' an intrepetation of how the Church and the Christian faith had to be followed and whch originated in the 15h century in Kampen or Deventer.... This way of following the Church was rejecting most of the ever increasing splendor of the Church and close to the later Jansinisme.
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That sounds like a interesting foundation for a type of reformation that could start in the Low Countries....
But Philip isn't gonna live to see any large reformations unfortunately. His son will thou.
We'll see what happens. But I can say that Philip has more of his father in him then people believe.He try to get those lands using his charm? the gold digger
Tbf I think that if we get a religious war the Netherlands would most likely align with considering that the protestant realms were in the north for good reason unless we get a really good reformation, and even that may not be enough. I think even if the duke of Brabant is catholic himself he would have a big section of the population that are protestant and unlikely to want to fight with the Catholic Germans.
Phillip going to war is defo something I'm interested in seeing hmmmm. I am curious of the inciting incident tho.