REDUX: Place In The Sun: What If Italy Joined The Central Powers?
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“Who is Spartacus?”
“I am Spartacus.”
“No, I am Spartacus.”
…government chumps trying to get mutineers to turn their leaders over
That in turn made me think of this:
They failed in 1914 when they were at the strong point and it looked like they might actually get their quick victory. Bear in mind that this isn’t the entente coalition which consisting of a large alliance of nations including the Juggernaut that was the US and a Japan which avoided any real war exhaustion. This would be a Germany that would be ruined and traumatized from years of world war acting largely on its own
France also had a tradition of violent revolutions
I imagine it'll be somesort of British-German wheeling and dealing until a suitably reformed-but-not-communist French Republic is declared that's more trouble to destroy than to leave around.
Because I agree Germany, Britain, and Italy all won't want a communist France - and the current war is proving that France could never stand up to those three if they are committed (so it's all about being radical enough to convince the French without being too radical for the foreigners).
Great Scott, even you know it!
Correct. Worse, the men are going to be a tad bit reluctant to gamble that well, surrendering carries any benefits to them. Nobody wants a transfer into a punishment batallion, IE Operation Human Shield, and even if by some miracle you crack it down, well, it's gonna be nasty politically and militarily.
No idea, added it ot my sig awhile ago as a quote, but the hardware doesn't allow quote tags.
Was on here, I remember that much for certain.
They didn't adopt the Red Pants in time.
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...weren't red pants one reason for their excessively-heavy casualties? As in it actually helped the Germans see them through the haze of the battlefield, compared to their own feldgrau which, while not as good as modern camouflage, worked better at blending in on the battlefield?
Yes,
I got that information too, the French started the war in bright red pants and blue overalls.
And when the military tried to change it they got metaphorically shot at by the public and their political masters (can also be the other way round that the politician saw the loss rates and tried to change the pants colour and got the bad press).
And plus, the red dye they used for the pants was supplied by Germany...
I can't find it now, but there's a clip from The Great War where Steven Westermann (SP?) describes the french in 'beautiful sky-blue coats' in the 1914 battles. Apparently they made wonderful targets. It's split with a french soldier describing germans advancing in squares and getting cut down in exactly the same way.
There's a very good reason why they dropped the red pants--They didn't adopt the Red Pants in time.
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That way, they'll be able to hide if they pissed themselves or not
You know, at this point, how long is it until the French decide to cut their losses and bow out of the war? If that happens, Belgium goes as well, plus the Russians.
It would be a very interesting reversal to have the Western Front end before the Eastern Front ITTL. But then again, Nivelle is obviously a better general tha Von Falkhayen, and I've received reports that Victory is merely Six Hours Away-- for the last two weeks.
It would be a very interesting reversal to have the Western Front end before the Eastern Front ITTL. But then again, Nivelle is obviously a better general tha Von Falkhayen, and I've received reports that Victory is merely Six Hours Away-- for the last two weeks.
I guess you could say Robert Nivelle is the best general Germany has.