I think they’re asking for everything they control but I do agree that the Soviet don’t control the majority of the territory based on what we’ve been told .
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A divided Poland would require the west to occupy the entirety of Germany and chunks of Poland ahead of the Soviet army. Which is erm... unlikely?
That's... a matter of definition.
Soo is Stalin actually going hard on Turkey and accepting failure here or the reverse? What did the treaty of Fontainebleau say?
"Constantinople, including the Biga Sanjak becomes a League of Nations mandate for a 30 years period at which point a referendum will determine its future. Within the city the Turkish government to retain control of the Ottoman palaces."
The Biga sanjak is the modern Channak province. How likely is it from Sivas point of view in 1945 given what has transpired in 1941-44 that there will still be a referendum in 1952 to be won or that the mandate territory will be given back anyway? If the chances of getting the land back vary between slim and none does it matter any to Sivas whether the Greeks or the Soviets get the land? Arguably it does... if the Soviets do not annex Trebizond for example because they got Channak and the Greeks fail to get it and insted get a most unwelcome Soviet military presence instead to have to think about.
The Royal Yugoslav Army for the most part by now. Yes there are a handful of Chetniks in Bosnia and Slovenia but the bulk in Serbia and Montenegro have been absorbed into the army.
He is silghtly ahead of schedule, not least because you did not have Chindits TTL but the Japanese had still gotten Burma back in 1941-42.
An Allied control commission with a UN High Commisioner and US, British, French, Soviet and Greek commisioners under him. Now who the High Commissioner should be?
Speaking of outrageous demands Königsberg would like a word. And have we mentioned that Soviet administered UN Trust territory in Libya demanded in OTL?
Stalin in Tehran was adamant on a Soviet military presence on the straits and the Greeks annexing Constantinople. How is the Soviet military presence secured and where do they get their bases particularly with the British talking again about the Greeks getting at least the European side? A UN Trust Territory of Costantinople that includes Cannakale runs the obvious dangeer of coming appart a few years after the war. And then what?
In OTL he asked for a Soviet run UN Trust territory of Tripolitania. And in 1946 wanted of course Soviet military bases in the straits...
Not entirely certain. The border is following the Ottoman administrative divisions. Which from Cuinet's maps back in 1894 is this:
Gallipoli is Greek since Sevres.
They are asking for the Asian part of the old League mandate sans Uskudar which likely becomes Turkish but occupied by the Allies (read Soviets) for the foreseeable future. How it works out... if the European side is annexed to Greece as Churchill is proposing why the Asian side should become a UN Trust territory? Or the reverse if you don't want the Asian side annexed then why the European side should be annexed? That's a double edged sword here... for the west.
Oh my lord as a Russian part of me wants this for my Rodina Mat but the sane part of me the human who likes Earth less fucked up does not want the Soviets to annex this ITTL oh fuck no
This bring forth also the question on how the high commisioner is selected. You have commissioners from each of the five powers in the straits zone but do you have one above them? and if you do who chooses him? If both the Soviets and the West have to agree...
Will Greece, as a graditude for the Commonwealth (and French) help, plus as a show of flag, would they send some units to the Western Front?
Honestly beyond the Naval help for D-Day I don’t expect any addition help from the Greeks on the Western front because they’re the backbone of the entire Southern front. Without them There is no push north through Yugoslavia, Albania, and Bulgaria and there is no one to hold those areas or Turkish soil. Without them Italy would be where it was OTL for the most part.
I can’t see the Greeks feeling the need to show the flag or gratitude in such a way. Their continued presence on the southern line pushing for war goals that are important to the Wallies in general and the Brits in particular is their way of showing gratitude. The Greeks marching through the alps into Austria aren’t there because of Grecian goals after all.
Off course, but small units couldn't do harm - like an infantry regiment, one or two aircrafts squadrons (plus a flight of transports) and a artillery battery
I think there are Greek forces in Italy as well. So no need for troops to be sent in the Western front.
Part 165
Bosnia, February 15th ,1945
Mostar was liberated by Yugoslav Partisan forces. It would take some weeks for regular Allied forces to link up with the partisans now controlling the city but the Germans and their collaborators were out...
Iwo Jima, February 19th, 1945
The US V Amphibious Corps begun landing on the island. Despite overwhelming American superiority the Japanese defenders would hold out for five weeks and die nearly to the last man.
Poland, February 23rd, 1945
Poznan was liberated by Soviet and Polish forces.
Italy, February 27th, 1945
Trento was liberated by the US 10th Mountain Division. While fighting was continuing in a somewhat desultory fashion, the Allied 15th Army Group was concentrating most of its efforts preparing for a general offensive as soon as springtime allowed it...
Riyadh, February 28th, 1945
Two weeks earlier king Ibn Saud had met with president Roosevelt aboard USS Quincy. Now the Saudis declared war against Germany. Someone cynic would had said that the declaration was practically worthless and little more than a gesture, but gestures had their uses. And given what had happened a few days earlier in Egypt where prime minister Ahmad Maher pasha had been assassinated in parliament as soon as he had announced the Egyptian declaration of war against Germany...
New York, February 28th, 1945
The first film directed by Elia Kazan made its debut in US theaters.
Norway, February 28th, 1945
Bergen surrendered to Swedish and Norwegian forces. But by now this was likely the smallest problem of the German forces in Norway. The Germans had started back in late August with sufficient supplies for about six months. Some supplies had managed to reach them between the entry of Sweden to the war and liberation of Trondheim and Mo-i-Rana in November which had cut off the German 20th Army in the north of Norway completely. By now the Germans held two widely separated areas in the north and the south of Norway and the supplies carefully stored over the early years of occupation were starting to run out...
Tehran, March 1st, 1945
The Teymurtash government declared war against Japan. Following the surrender of Turkey, Iran was still at war with Germany but did not have any troops in actual combat. Even the Iranian troops stationed in Turkey after the armistice were by now replaced by British forces as part of the general draw down of Allied forces in Anatolia. From almost 261,000 men in June 1944 Allied forces were now down to 156,000 men with almost a third being the Kurdish army.
Germany, March 2nd, 1945
The US 3rd Army captured Trier. Allied forces had not crossed the Rhine yet in force. But the German Siegfried line was getting systematically demolished. By March 10th the Germans would be pushed completely out of the west bank of the Rhine.
Philippines, March 3rd, 1945
Manila has finally liberated by American and Filipino forces. The month long Japanese defense had cost the lives of over 100,000 civilians with the Japanese using civilians as human shields and massacring them indiscriminately.
Over Basel, Switzerland, March 4th, 1945
The B-17 pilot did a double take at the sight of a pair of what looked like a Loire-Nieuport LN-161 fighters darting after him at over 600 kph. The French fighter had been an increasingly rare sight in battlefields after the fall of France. The ones in use by the Free French and Royal Yugoslav Air Force had been mostly destroyed in combat or grounded due to lack of spares by the end of 1941. The ones passed by Germany to the Croatian Air force were by now nearly gone, like the rest of the Croatian air force, the Allied Balkan Air forces had made sure of that. A handful modified with Soviet Klimov engines soldiered on with the Finnish Air Force. Which left the Swiss who actually built increasingly improved variants of the aircraft locally. But being intercepted by Swiss fighters meant you were flying over Switzerland...
Hungary, March 6th, 1945
Twenty-five German divisions of Army Group South with 650 tanks and 850 aircraft tried to push back the Soviet 2nd and 3rd Ukrainian fronts and secure the Hungarian oil fields the last held by Germany. Only the Soviets outnumbered the Germans by almost five to three and had more operational tanks and nearly a thousand operational tanks. And then to these would be added the 856 aircraft of the Balkan Air Forces and USAAF's 15th Air Force. Within nine days the German offensive would be halted and the Soviets launch their own counterattack.
West Germany, March 6th, 1945
Elements of the US 9th Armored Division managed to secure the Hohenzollern bridge in Cologne before German engineers could demolish it...
Bosnia, March 7th, 1945
Allied forces advancing from Montenegro linked up with the Partisans who had liberated the city three weeks earlier. The next day British 10th army units in the north would link up with the Yugoslav People's army forces in Vukovar.
Tokyo, March 9-10th, 1945
Nearly 300 USAAF B-29 bombers hit Tokyo overnight burning down a quarter of the city and killing about 100,000 civilians. The next night the Americans would hit Nagoya. Then Osaka. Then Kobe as the USAAF start systematically demolishing Japanese cities...
East Germany, March 15th, 1945
The Soviet 1st Ukrainian Front under Ivan Koniev attacked into Upper Silesia. The Soviets had yet to push against Berlin. But it was just a matter of time before they did so.
Cologne, March 17th, 1945
The Germans had thrown at the Hohenzollern bridge everything they had available from commandos and heavy artillery to ballistic missiles and jet bombers. Finally their efforts had borne fruit managing to destroy the bridge. But it was arguably too late as the US 1st Army by now had five divisions anchored east of the Rhine and American combat engineers had setup two temporary bridges across the river.
West Germany, March 22nd, 1945
The US 3rd Army under George Patton attacked across the Rhine. The next day further north four thousand guns of the British 21st Army Group would signal the beginning of the British crossing of the river and the Western Allies invasion of Germany.
Yugoslavia, March 24th, 1945
The Allied Armies of the Orient went to the offensive. The Germans still held Slovenia and large parts and Bosnia and Croatia, with Heeresgruppe E having about 578,000 men, 60% of them German. But the Allied armies in Yugoslavia by now were massively stronger with 1.36 million men, more than half of them Yugoslavs of all political stripes and several armored divisions...
Mostar was liberated by Yugoslav Partisan forces. It would take some weeks for regular Allied forces to link up with the partisans now controlling the city but the Germans and their collaborators were out...
Iwo Jima, February 19th, 1945
The US V Amphibious Corps begun landing on the island. Despite overwhelming American superiority the Japanese defenders would hold out for five weeks and die nearly to the last man.
Poland, February 23rd, 1945
Poznan was liberated by Soviet and Polish forces.
Italy, February 27th, 1945
Trento was liberated by the US 10th Mountain Division. While fighting was continuing in a somewhat desultory fashion, the Allied 15th Army Group was concentrating most of its efforts preparing for a general offensive as soon as springtime allowed it...
Riyadh, February 28th, 1945
Two weeks earlier king Ibn Saud had met with president Roosevelt aboard USS Quincy. Now the Saudis declared war against Germany. Someone cynic would had said that the declaration was practically worthless and little more than a gesture, but gestures had their uses. And given what had happened a few days earlier in Egypt where prime minister Ahmad Maher pasha had been assassinated in parliament as soon as he had announced the Egyptian declaration of war against Germany...
New York, February 28th, 1945
The first film directed by Elia Kazan made its debut in US theaters.
Norway, February 28th, 1945
Bergen surrendered to Swedish and Norwegian forces. But by now this was likely the smallest problem of the German forces in Norway. The Germans had started back in late August with sufficient supplies for about six months. Some supplies had managed to reach them between the entry of Sweden to the war and liberation of Trondheim and Mo-i-Rana in November which had cut off the German 20th Army in the north of Norway completely. By now the Germans held two widely separated areas in the north and the south of Norway and the supplies carefully stored over the early years of occupation were starting to run out...
Tehran, March 1st, 1945
The Teymurtash government declared war against Japan. Following the surrender of Turkey, Iran was still at war with Germany but did not have any troops in actual combat. Even the Iranian troops stationed in Turkey after the armistice were by now replaced by British forces as part of the general draw down of Allied forces in Anatolia. From almost 261,000 men in June 1944 Allied forces were now down to 156,000 men with almost a third being the Kurdish army.
Germany, March 2nd, 1945
The US 3rd Army captured Trier. Allied forces had not crossed the Rhine yet in force. But the German Siegfried line was getting systematically demolished. By March 10th the Germans would be pushed completely out of the west bank of the Rhine.
Philippines, March 3rd, 1945
Manila has finally liberated by American and Filipino forces. The month long Japanese defense had cost the lives of over 100,000 civilians with the Japanese using civilians as human shields and massacring them indiscriminately.
Over Basel, Switzerland, March 4th, 1945
The B-17 pilot did a double take at the sight of a pair of what looked like a Loire-Nieuport LN-161 fighters darting after him at over 600 kph. The French fighter had been an increasingly rare sight in battlefields after the fall of France. The ones in use by the Free French and Royal Yugoslav Air Force had been mostly destroyed in combat or grounded due to lack of spares by the end of 1941. The ones passed by Germany to the Croatian Air force were by now nearly gone, like the rest of the Croatian air force, the Allied Balkan Air forces had made sure of that. A handful modified with Soviet Klimov engines soldiered on with the Finnish Air Force. Which left the Swiss who actually built increasingly improved variants of the aircraft locally. But being intercepted by Swiss fighters meant you were flying over Switzerland...
Hungary, March 6th, 1945
Twenty-five German divisions of Army Group South with 650 tanks and 850 aircraft tried to push back the Soviet 2nd and 3rd Ukrainian fronts and secure the Hungarian oil fields the last held by Germany. Only the Soviets outnumbered the Germans by almost five to three and had more operational tanks and nearly a thousand operational tanks. And then to these would be added the 856 aircraft of the Balkan Air Forces and USAAF's 15th Air Force. Within nine days the German offensive would be halted and the Soviets launch their own counterattack.
West Germany, March 6th, 1945
Elements of the US 9th Armored Division managed to secure the Hohenzollern bridge in Cologne before German engineers could demolish it...
Bosnia, March 7th, 1945
Allied forces advancing from Montenegro linked up with the Partisans who had liberated the city three weeks earlier. The next day British 10th army units in the north would link up with the Yugoslav People's army forces in Vukovar.
Tokyo, March 9-10th, 1945
Nearly 300 USAAF B-29 bombers hit Tokyo overnight burning down a quarter of the city and killing about 100,000 civilians. The next night the Americans would hit Nagoya. Then Osaka. Then Kobe as the USAAF start systematically demolishing Japanese cities...
East Germany, March 15th, 1945
The Soviet 1st Ukrainian Front under Ivan Koniev attacked into Upper Silesia. The Soviets had yet to push against Berlin. But it was just a matter of time before they did so.
Cologne, March 17th, 1945
The Germans had thrown at the Hohenzollern bridge everything they had available from commandos and heavy artillery to ballistic missiles and jet bombers. Finally their efforts had borne fruit managing to destroy the bridge. But it was arguably too late as the US 1st Army by now had five divisions anchored east of the Rhine and American combat engineers had setup two temporary bridges across the river.
West Germany, March 22nd, 1945
The US 3rd Army under George Patton attacked across the Rhine. The next day further north four thousand guns of the British 21st Army Group would signal the beginning of the British crossing of the river and the Western Allies invasion of Germany.
Yugoslavia, March 24th, 1945
The Allied Armies of the Orient went to the offensive. The Germans still held Slovenia and large parts and Bosnia and Croatia, with Heeresgruppe E having about 578,000 men, 60% of them German. But the Allied armies in Yugoslavia by now were massively stronger with 1.36 million men, more than half of them Yugoslavs of all political stripes and several armored divisions...
Now that we're nearing the end of the war in Europe I can only imagine the arguing that's going to ensue at the peace conference...
Could Tehran spare a few troops to the Burma frontline?
Also, with the now expanding kamikaze threats to their navies, could the US press into service sooner the Bearcat, Tigercat and Fireball? And the FAA could take some to supplement their possible introduction of Seafang?
Also, with the now expanding kamikaze threats to their navies, could the US press into service sooner the Bearcat, Tigercat and Fireball? And the FAA could take some to supplement their possible introduction of Seafang?
If it's that militarily important to them they might press prototypes into active service. I think that this was done at one stage with a photo reconnaissance version of the Spitfire OTL.
Either that or Lascaris is referring to the ME 262 which thanks to Hitler constantly changing his mind on what he wanted the plane to function as, could be counted as a bomber
If the Wallies don’t pick up the pace in Italy they’re gonna end the war on the wrong side of the Alps, at least if they have any hope of having a western Allied Austria and maybe participating in the liberation of Prague.
It’s nice to see the Allies avoid one of the bigger embarrassments in Switzerland though. I’m not sure it changes much but it’s nice all the same.
The big change though is definitely the Wallied breakthrough in cologne. That’s definitely gonna create butterflies. I wouldn’t be surprised if V-E day was less than a month away ITTL. Which should help save some more Jews. Honestly I’d love an index when the war is over that shows the OTL numbers compared to TTL number of victims by country if you’re up to it @Lascaris .
It’s nice to see the Allies avoid one of the bigger embarrassments in Switzerland though. I’m not sure it changes much but it’s nice all the same.
The big change though is definitely the Wallied breakthrough in cologne. That’s definitely gonna create butterflies. I wouldn’t be surprised if V-E day was less than a month away ITTL. Which should help save some more Jews. Honestly I’d love an index when the war is over that shows the OTL numbers compared to TTL number of victims by country if you’re up to it @Lascaris .